houtiger Posted August 8, 2022 Author Posted August 8, 2022 4 hours ago, Nutriaitch said: also, i realize this is the Browns we're discussing, but signing a contract to specifically offset a suspension would be colossally stupid. If Watson doesn't get paid, the Browns save money. Also that saved money does not count against the salary cap. example (using his 2023 salary). $46 mil divided by 17 games = roughly $2.7 mil per game check $2.7 mil times 6 games = roughly $16.25 mil. Why on god's green earth would Cleveland sign a deal specifically designed to cost them an extra $16 million dollars for zero production? I have not seen any mention of Cleveland doing the deal for cap reasons. Everyone knows Watson will be suspended for some number of games, currently six games. Even Sports Illustrated says the deal is designed in order to cost Watson the least in missed games. Browns Tweak Contract to Protect Watson's Salary Against Possible Suspension The Cleveland Browns found a loophole to make sure Deshaun Watson gets every dime they promised to him, helping him make the choice to play for the team, even if he's suspended. The Cleveland Browns were able to convince Deshaun Watson to waive his no-trade clause in no small part because of money. The money guaranteed in Watson's deal over five years is $230 million. Included within that, the first year Watson will have a base salary of $1 million as noted by Ian Rapoport of NFL Network. The reason for that is if Watson were to be suspended due outcome 22 civil lawsuits he has pending, the money he'd lose would come out of his base salary. Any bonus money would still be paid to him. If the NFL simply sticks to that precedent, Watson would stand to lose in excess of $10 million if his contract was categorized as his base salary. Instead, he would only lose a little over $50,000 for any game he might be suspended. https://www.si.com/nfl/browns/news/browns-method-of-guaranteeing-money Quote
Nutriaitch Posted August 8, 2022 Posted August 8, 2022 1 hour ago, houtiger said: I have not seen any mention of Cleveland doing the deal for cap reasons. because it's pretty standard issue contract structure. Dak Prescott: $2.7mil in "salary" year one (but got his $66 mil bonus)https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/dak-prescott-19089/ Tom Brady is only getting $1.1 million ($28.8 bonus)https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tampa-bay-buccaneers/tom-brady-4619/ Aaron Rodgers getting $1.15 mil ($24 mil bonus)https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/aaron-rodgers-3745/ Matt Stafford getting $1.5 mil ($60 mil bonus)https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/los-angeles-rams/matthew-stafford-6078/ Russell Wilson's deal only paid $500k year one ($65 mil bonus)https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/denver-broncos/russell-wilson-9885/ Kyler Murray new deal $965k in salary ($29 mil bonus):https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/arizona-cardinals/kyler-murray-29036/ Josh Allen: $920k in year one ($16 mil bonus)https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/josh-allen-25102/ compared to: DeShaun Watson $1.03 salary ($45 mil bonus):https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/deshaun-watson-21753/ so were all of those guys expected to be suspended their first year of their contracts? because their deals are all structured similarly to Watson's. Base salary in neighborhood of $1 mil. Huge signing bonus that gets prorated against the cap for 5 years. Watson's deal puts him about the middle of this pack in both year one salary and signing bonus. 1 hour ago, houtiger said: Browns Tweak Contract to Protect Watson's Salary Against Possible Suspension The Cleveland Browns found a loophole to make sure Deshaun Watson gets every dime they promised to him, helping him make the choice to play for the team, even if he's suspended. The Cleveland Browns were able to convince Deshaun Watson to waive his no-trade clause in no small part because of money. The money guaranteed in Watson's deal over five years is $230 million. Included within that, the first year Watson will have a base salary of $1 million as noted by Ian Rapoport of NFL Network. The reason for that is if Watson were to be suspended due outcome 22 civil lawsuits he has pending, the money he'd lose would come out of his base salary. Any bonus money would still be paid to him. so what was the reason Dallas, Tampa, Green Bay, the Rams, Seattle, Arizona, Buffalo etc. all signed similarly structured deals for their QBs? Why did all of those teams need to exploit that loophole? Quote
houtiger Posted August 8, 2022 Author Posted August 8, 2022 You make a good point, but the contract structure also helps him greatly if he is suspended this year, like a slap on the wrist from the NFL. Many think the league will look bad if they only suspend him for 6 games. He collected his salary last year from the Texans because he said he would not play for the organization over their hiring of the head coach who only lasted one year. They couldn't cut him because they would have lost his trade value. If he is going to be penalized financially, if the suspension has meaning, they should suspend him next year. Then six games would really hurt him. Quote
Nutriaitch Posted August 8, 2022 Posted August 8, 2022 18 minutes ago, houtiger said: You make a good point, but the contract structure also helps him greatly if he is suspended this year, thats more a coincidence if timing than anything else. Alvin Kamara is currently awaiting his hearing for battery. And it just got delayed. NFL won’t penalize him until that gets settled. meaning he will likely play all year this year (at $1.03 mill) and be suspended during next season when he’s scheduled to make over $9 mil. 18 minutes ago, houtiger said: If he is going to be penalized financially, if the suspension has meaning, they should suspend him next year. Then six games would really hurt him. there is NO WAY the player’s union would allow the NFL to pick and choose when a player serves a suspension based on that players contract structure. what if this was Matt Stafford? He makes $1.5 this year, $1.5 in 2023, and $31 mil in 2024. Do you delay his suspension 2 full seasons? Quote
Nutriaitch Posted August 9, 2022 Posted August 9, 2022 18 hours ago, houtiger said: He collected his salary last year from the Texans because he said he would not play for the organization over their hiring of the head coach who only lasted one year. This is something the NFL needs to fix in the next CBA. If a player voluntarily sits out, he should forfeit his salary without the team losing the rights to him. they should be able to put him on some sort of list where he doesn't count against the roster limit, your payroll, or the salary cap, but he not available for any other team to touch (or even talk to). He just sits there and rots. Quote
houtiger Posted August 9, 2022 Author Posted August 9, 2022 3 hours ago, Nutriaitch said: This is something the NFL needs to fix in the next CBA. If a player voluntarily sits out, he should forfeit his salary without the team losing the rights to him. they should be able to put him on some sort of list where he doesn't count against the roster limit, your payroll, or the salary cap, but he not available for any other team to touch (or even talk to). He just sits there and rots. That was the very weird Deshaun Watson situation. He tried the "Jamal Adams technique" (insult the coaches and front office so bad that they cannot possibly play you because clearly you are no longer a team player). It was going to work, they were shopping Watson, then all the molestation charges came out and nobody would touch Watson. The only reason he collected his pay while sitting out, because he had trade value and Houston had to collect on it. Houston got 3 first round picks, two third round picks and a fourth round pick, over the next three years. Then Cleveland gave him a $230 million contract! Damn expensive QB. Quote
houtiger Posted August 17, 2022 Author Posted August 17, 2022 Invasive crawfish species found in Texas. https://www.khou.com/article/life/animals/invasive-australian-crawfish-texas/285-0d327e10-5349-404d-aa91-071c229a47ca?fbclid=IwAR2jT_Rlfv2OmlDG0qlOH-bNLDCilopB0nr1LJ7SigUVWPSULxoqo9WVR3M&fs=e&s=cl#l6xplgq3tnnq8x6oxa 1 Quote
dachsie Posted August 17, 2022 Posted August 17, 2022 2 hours ago, houtiger said: Invasive crawfish species found in Texas. https://www.khou.com/article/life/animals/invasive-australian-crawfish-texas/285-0d327e10-5349-404d-aa91-071c229a47ca?fbclid=IwAR2jT_Rlfv2OmlDG0qlOH-bNLDCilopB0nr1LJ7SigUVWPSULxoqo9WVR3M&fs=e&s=cl#l6xplgq3tnnq8x6oxa Let's catch 'em and eat 'em 1 Quote
houtiger Posted August 18, 2022 Author Posted August 18, 2022 On 8/8/2022 at 6:02 PM, Nutriaitch said: there is NO WAY the player’s union would allow the NFL to pick and choose when a player serves a suspension based on that players contract structure. A good compromise. The National Football League (NFL) and the NFL Players Association have agreed to suspend Cleveland Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson for 11 regular season games without pay and fine him $5 million. Watson will undergo "a professional evaluation by behavioral experts and will follow their treatment program," according to the agreement. Losing close to 6 million will sting, but out of a 230 million dollar contract, not so much. His biggest penalty may be playing for the Browns for the next five years. Miami sniffed at him, buy his problems with the women kept them away. 1 Quote
houtiger Posted August 21, 2022 Author Posted August 21, 2022 Abby Steiner from U. of Kentucky is setting the track world on fire. I have never seen such a comeback in a 100 meter race as Abby pulled off in the first race. Look how far back she is at around the 40 meter mark, and she won. That looks impossible to me, against a quality field. She is equally powerful in the 200 meter. 1 Quote
houtiger Posted October 27, 2022 Author Posted October 27, 2022 (edited) A good story. Celebrate hard work and fatherhood. https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/26/us/kentucky-wildcats-coach-john-calipari-coal-miner-son-game/index.html Edited October 27, 2022 by houtiger 2 Quote
houtiger Posted November 13, 2022 Author Posted November 13, 2022 A compelling story about the USS Indianapolis, sunk during WW II, and sailors in the water for 4 days. There is an interview video with one of the survivors that is compelling. https://allthatsinteresting.com/uss-indianapolis?utm_campaign=fbpdpih&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social Quote
Nutriaitch Posted November 13, 2022 Posted November 13, 2022 6 hours ago, houtiger said: A compelling story about the USS Indianapolis, sunk during WW II, and sailors in the water for 4 days. There is an interview video with one of the survivors that is compelling. https://allthatsinteresting.com/uss-indianapolis?utm_campaign=fbpdpih&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social Quote
houtiger Posted December 8, 2022 Author Posted December 8, 2022 I have said my son in law (SIL) has a machine shop outside Victoria TX. One thing he occasionally builds is bullet proof panels, like the set he built for a educational institute in California. Shortly after he intalled it there was a mass shooting across the street. What you see below is a bullet proof modular building training facility for law enforcement in Florida. The panels are in the 4 boxes. He contracted a hot shot company to bring them to Fl. and he will fly and unload, unpack and install them on Monday. You can get panels of different thickness to stop 9mm on up to .308. He buys the ballistic panel and he makes the frame and wheel assembly, which he designed. He's a mechanical eng., so he can design, draw it up on CAD, and fabricate. He is about the only totally turnkey shop in Victoria. He does all kind of arrangements, sometimes he does the design and drawings, but it is too much for him to fab, so a larger fab only shop gets that work. Then they pass to him jobs that are too small a fab for them. Farther down I put a link to the website for the company that sells the TPS Defender system. They just sell, SIL does the fab. There is a brief video at the bottom of the page, with my wonderful daughter doing the talking, is SIL shop, its at the rear of the shop. You can see a big roll up door on one side, there is another one on the other side, and an 18 wheeler can drive right through and his 10 ton crane in the roof area does the unload, by his lonesome. He designed the shop to be operated by one person. Here's the link to the website, a 2 minute video is near the bottom of the page. My SIL is moving the panel. The shop is a barn-daminium concept, one big building, home in the front, car garage in the middle, shop in the rear, I think the shop is about 40' X 60'. https://www.tacticalpanelsystems.com/ballistic-panel-systems-deliver-superior-protection-against-bullets-and-blast-fragments Interesting way to load the hot shot truck with his Dad's tractor from Dad's cattle ranch. 1 Quote
Nutriaitch Posted December 9, 2022 Posted December 9, 2022 15 hours ago, houtiger said: What you see below is a bullet proof modular building training facility for law enforcement in Florida. he got @Fishhead to unload them for him in the middle of bailing his pasture? 1 Quote
houtiger Posted December 9, 2022 Author Posted December 9, 2022 7 hours ago, Nutriaitch said: he got @Fishhead to unload them for him in the middle of bailing his pasture? They have a medium sized ranch for the area so they grow their own hay as long as they get rain. I don't know how they handle cutting, rolling and moving the bales, I think they pay someone else to do that. They have their own tractor with an attachment so they can pick up the bales and move them around themselves. Looks like they used a bale to ballast the tractor while picking up those heavy panels. Quote
houtiger Posted December 10, 2022 Author Posted December 10, 2022 (edited) I've never known a cattle rancher and now that I visit the ranch often, I am interested in how they operate. You see that fancy new tractor they used to load the panels on the trailer, its a two year old Deere, but they had been using a 1950's vintage Oliver tractor, the Oliver company long ago acquired. But they had this 70 year old Oliver as the primary tractor until 2020. The Oliver is still running, they keep it for a backup. I asked, and you can get parts for it, but they said it is getting harder and harder. They use EBAY to find parts. Their cows are Brangus, cross between a Brahma and Angus. The Brahma handle the heat in Tx better, but they are mean. The Angus produces a better meat. Cross them and you get good meat, handles heat, and a kinder gentler cow. I was struck by how meaty their cows are. I think in La. I was used to seeing dairy cows and they are scrawny compared to beef cows. I'm always impressed when I see their herd, fat cows with pretty coats. They take good care of their cows. They attend lectures at the county agent office each month to stay up on the latest feeding guides, medical and fencing topics and the beef selling market. They used to use cypress fence posts but they said the quality of the cypress posts fell off, they were not lasting as long, so they had to go to the steel posts like everyone else. They said they are ALWAYS working on the fencing. The family has owned the land for 150 years. Edited December 10, 2022 by houtiger 1 Quote
LSUDad Posted December 10, 2022 Posted December 10, 2022 We had cattle, I crossed beef with milk cattle. I would have to milk the mom, till the calf could catch up. Once the calf catches up, look out. Fast growing calves. Quote
houtiger Posted January 11, 2023 Author Posted January 11, 2023 I was just looking around, and found this article about Tee Maurice, a dirt track about 3 miles north of where I grew up. My Dad used to spend a lot of time there as a young man before he married my mother, before WW II. There was a dance hall there, owned by the same family. Dad told me he really liked the sulky races, and at the bottom of the page is some pictures and there is one of a sulky race (today they call it "harness racing"). He said the motion of the horses was beautiful to watch. I used to ride by Tee Maurice on my bike on the way to see my girlfriend, before drivers license. I grew up in Bosco (there are two in La., mine is on La. 343 south of Bristol) on a Superior Oil Company oil field. https://acadianahistorical.org/items/show/181 Below in this link is some great old cajun music video. Aldus Roger had his own TV show, all in French, on Sunday afternoon in Lafayette, probably on KLFY TV. https://louisianadancehalls.com/dance_hall/te-maurice-club-richards-casino/ 2 Quote
houtiger Posted January 16, 2023 Author Posted January 16, 2023 He's a great video about Joe Namath. Many of you are too young to have seen him play, but before he got too hurt, he had a great arm. I would say Bradshaw had a stronger arm, but Namath had placement ability that was uncanny, and one of the quickest releases ever. I saw Namath play the Saints in a pre season game in Tulane Stadium. He only played one or two quarters. but he threw a pass to the corner of the end zone, not a fade, he fired it in, thing of beauty. Video is one hour, but there are 5 min commercials. You can skip some stuff, but I found it entertaining. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVQAs1ESjnM Quote
Nutriaitch Posted January 16, 2023 Posted January 16, 2023 2 hours ago, houtiger said: He's a great video about Joe Namath. Many of you are too young to have seen him play, but before he got too hurt, he had a great arm. I would say Bradshaw had a stronger arm, but Namath had placement ability that was uncanny, and one of the quickest releases ever. I saw Namath play the Saints in a pre season game in Tulane Stadium. He only played one or two quarters. but he threw a pass to the corner of the end zone, not a fade, he fired it in, thing of beauty. Video is one hour, but there are 5 min commercials. You can skip some stuff, but I found it entertaining. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVQAs1ESjnM i fall in the too young category, but his numbers are TERRIBLE. and were for his entire career. only twice in his entire NFL career did he throw more TDs than interceptions. Quote
houtiger Posted January 16, 2023 Author Posted January 16, 2023 TD to int ratio is not the only way to measure a QB. After the super bowl win, as stars retired from the team, there replacements were just not as good, and the jets record deteriorated, along with Joe's knees. His stats from the Pro Football Hall of Fame: "In 1967, he became the first quarterback to pass for more than 4,000 yards in one season. In 1968, he capped off AFL Player of the Year and unanimous All-Pro selection with MVP honors in Super Bowl III. Namath's pre-game "guarantee" of victory backed up by his 206-yard passing production was a major factor in assuring the competitive viability of the AFL-NFL Super Bowl series. Namath was plagued with knee injuries through much of his career. Still he completed 1,886 passes for 27,663 yards and 173 touchdowns in 12 seasons with the Jets and a final try with the Los Angeles Rams in 1977. He enjoyed many exceptional days, one of which came in the 1968 AFL title game. He threw three touchdown passes to lead New York to a 27-23 win over the Oakland Raiders that set up the dramatic Super Bowl III confrontation. Namath earned all-league accolades four times in his career (1967, 1968, 1969, and 1972) and was named to the all-time AFL honor team in 1969. He was also elected to four AFL all-star games and one AFC-NFC Pro Bowl." Quote
LSUDad Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 6 hours ago, Nutriaitch said: i fall in the too young category, but his numbers are TERRIBLE. and were for his entire career. only twice in his entire NFL career did he throw more TDs than interceptions. The two touchdowns Terry Bradshaw threw in what was the final NFL game played at Shea Stadium (and the last NFL game played in New York City proper to date) allowed him to finish his career with two more touchdowns (212) than interceptions (210). 1 Quote
Nutriaitch Posted January 17, 2023 Posted January 17, 2023 15 hours ago, houtiger said: TD to int ratio is not the only way to measure a QB. ok, his completion percentage and passer ratings were also both terrible. as in barely cracks top 200 quarterbacks of all time in both categories. in case you're wondering where 200 gets you, its just behind studs like Billy Joe Tolliver. take away the "Broadway Joe" persona and he's objectively not a hall of famer. Quote
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.