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[dachsie]

11 hours ago, Nutriaitch said:

ok, his completion percentage and passer ratings were also both terrible.
as in barely cracks top 200 quarterbacks of all time in both categories.

in case you're wondering where 200 gets you, its just behind studs like Billy Joe Tolliver.

take away the "Broadway Joe" persona and he's objectively not a hall of famer.
 

But were his numbers at the time he played big at the time.  That may be why het gets the HOF nod

[Nutriaitch]

15 hours ago, dachsie said:

But were his numbers at the time he played big at the time.  That may be why het gets the HOF nod

not at all.

if you look at the list of the top 210 quarterback ratings of all-time, Namath is 192 out of 210.
if you narrow it down to players who started no later than 1977 (year Namath retired), you shrink the list down to 53 names.
Namath is dead last.  and only 15 of the 52 ahead of him are in the hall.

if you do the same thing with completion %, ProFootball-Reference ranks the top 210 in that one too.
Namath is 196 out of 210.
If you again narrow it to only guys who played with or before (started no later than 1977), the list shrinks to 66 guys.
"Broadway Joe" is 55 out of 66. again, only 15 of the 54 ahead of him are in the hall.

at the time he retired, he was 18th on the all-time passing TD list.
11 of the 17 ahead of him played during his era (meaning their careers overlapped at least some). so he wasn't even top 10 in his own timeframe.

but hey! he's still top 20 all-time in interceptions thrown.
 

[dachsie]

21 minutes ago, Nutriaitch said:

not at all.

if you look at the list of the top 210 quarterback ratings of all-time, Namath is 192 out of 210.
if you narrow it down to players who started no later than 1977 (year Namath retired), you shrink the list down to 53 names.
Namath is dead last.  and only 15 of the 52 ahead of him are in the hall.

if you do the same thing with completion %, ProFootball-Reference ranks the top 210 in that one too.
Namath is 196 out of 210.
If you again narrow it to only guys who played with or before (started no later than 1977), the list shrinks to 66 guys.
"Broadway Joe" is 55 out of 66. again, only 15 of the 54 ahead of him are in the hall.

at the time he retired, he was 18th on the all-time passing TD list.
11 of the 17 ahead of him played during his era (meaning their careers overlapped at least some). so he wasn't even top 10 in his own timeframe.

but hey! he's still top 20 all-time in interceptions thrown.
 

So why did he get in?  Because he was a Gumps guy?

[Nutriaitch]

1 hour ago, dachsie said:

So why did he get in?

the textbook definition of a New York guy being put on a pedestal because he's in New York.

1 hour ago, dachsie said:

  Because he was a Gumps guy?

that didn't mean anything to the NFL back then.

[houtiger]

I was watching a bit on the 1980 US Olympic hockey team winning the gold medal (there is a 2004 movie called "Miracle" with Kurt Russell playing the coach, Herb Brooks).  Brooks never let the players get comfortable.  There were a few cuts to be made, and he pushed them and made them sweat.  Brooks said he had to change the style of play, college kids did not play like the European teams, all of the leading scorers in the NHL at the time were from Europe.  The Europeans were is much better shape than the Americans.  He pushed the team hard.

They asked him is he had a curfew for the team.  He said no, never.  They asked why?  He said "because the best player always gets caught breaking curfew?"  He wanted them out practicing, not suspended.

[houtiger]

Back on page 1 of this topic (August 28, 2019), I picked my top 5 running backs of the NFL.  I said Gayle Sayers was an honorable mention because his career was so short, only 4 good seasons before his knee injury.  But when he played he was really special.  So, here's his highlight reel.  He only played 5 years, 4 good ones, and he ended up #22 on the NFL all time top 100 players!!!  He was amazing, listed at 6' 200 lbs.  For the young 'uns that never saw him, watch it on youtube:

 

Edited May 28, 2023 by houtiger

[Fishhead]

NFL blocked the video,  dangit

[houtiger]

11 hours ago, Fishhead said:

NFL blocked the video,  dangit

Go to youtube, and in the search box, enter "Gale Sayers Highlights (Final Version)" (without the quotes) and it will come up, 7 min 33 seconds.

At the 3 minute mark he has a run against the Vikings, that old helmet.  Watch how he accelerates past all the defenders like they are stuck in the mud.  His vision, those cuts, he had some power when he needed it, and his acceleration and speed.  Nobody ran Gayle Sayers down from behind.

[LSUDad]

14 hours ago, Fishhead said:

NFL blocked the video,  dangit

Just hit the “Watch on YouTube!”

Goes right to the clip in YouTube. 

[houtiger]

One of my favorite NFL safeties of all time, Ronnie Lott.  Peyton is a great interviewer, naturally funny.  He plays like a dummy, but you know he's not.  Eli is a dud.

 

[Nutriaitch]

23 hours ago, houtiger said:

One of my favorite NFL safeties of all time, Ronnie Lott.  Peyton is a great interviewer, naturally funny.  He plays like a dummy, but you know he's not.  Eli is a dud.

 

if the entire Manning clan completely disappeared from TV, I would probably drink myself to death in celebration

[Hatchertiger]

On 6/10/2023 at 10:21 AM, houtiger said:

 Eli is a dud.

[Just Me]

For Fish

[Hatchertiger]

NSFW Mess with the bull ...

 

[houtiger]

I graduated from USL in 73.  The best ticket in town with the basketball team.  I think they joined D1 in 72, went to the NCAA tourney.  They went back to the NCAA tourney in 73, lost to Kansas St. in the sweet 16 round by 3 pts., K State won the championship.  Here is a bit about that team:

Bo Lamar was first team all american guard, Bill Walton was the first team center.  Lamar played 3 seasons for the San Diego Conquistadors of the ABA.  When the ABA and NBA merged, San Diego was not included and Bo was taken by the Lakers, played 1 season for them.  I heard his defense was not good enough for the NBA.

Roy Ebron was a parade all american in high school, as was Larry Fogle.  Ebron played a few years for the Utah Stars of the ABA.  Fogle was drafted second round by the Knicks, only played one year for them.  Fred Saunders played in the NBA.

After USL just joined D1 in 72 and went to two straight NCAA tourneys, the NCAA investigated and found they paid the players.  The NCAA said USL was not eligible for the tournament (after they were invited), but no hearing had been held by the NCAA.  USL figured they would never have a team like that again, so they filed a suit against the NCAA saying lack of due process.  A La. judge said USL was right and ordered they could play in the tourney.  They played, results below.  The NCAA was pissed and after a hearing, gave USL the death penalty, no basketball team for 5 years.  You know, it might have been worth it to see that team play in the tourney.

1972-73 Louisiana Ragin' Cajuns Men's Roster and Stats

Record: 24-5 Overall W-L adjusted to 23-3, conference W-L adjusted to 0-12 (8-0, 7th in Southland MBB)

Rank: 7th in the Final AP Poll

Coach: Beryl Shipley

PS/G: 96.6 (2nd of 230)

PA/G: 85.3 (217th of 230)

NCAA Tournament:

Won Midwest First Round (102-89) versus Houston
Lost Midwest Regional Semifinal (66-63) versus Kansas State
Lost Midwest Regional Third Place (90-85) versus South Carolina

Roster

Player	Class	Pos	Height	Summary
Bo Lamar	SR	G	6-2	28.9 Pts, 3.4 Reb, 5.1 Ast
Roy Ebron	JR	C	6-9	19.5 Pts, 12.3 Reb, 1.0 Ast
Larry Fogle	FR	F	6-5	14.8 Pts, 7.8 Reb, 2.0 Ast
Robert Wilson	JR	F	6-6	11.0 Pts, 7.6 Reb, 1.7 Ast
Jerry Bisbano	SR	G	6-4	8.7 Pts, 1.8 Reb, 5.8 Ast
Fred Saunders	JR	F	6-7	7.4 Pts, 9.6 Reb, 3.1 Ast
Percy Wells	FR	G	6-4	3.5 Pts, 1.2 Reb, 1.3 Ast
Andre Brown	FR	C	6-9	2.4 Pts, 3.0 Reb, 0.2 Ast
Dan Wright	SR	G	6-2	1.6 Pts, 1.4 Reb, 1.8 Ast
Mike Haney	SR	F	6-5	2.0 Pts, 2.1 Reb, 1.0 Ast

[Hatchertiger]

I remember Dwight "Bo" Lamar.

[Nutriaitch]

On 7/6/2023 at 11:34 PM, houtiger said:

I graduated from USL

my condolences  

 

[houtiger]

I came across the piece below, needed a place to stick it.  I thought some would be amused.

 

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Jul 28, 2023

A Baton Rouge judge this week again imposed sanctions on the former LSU athletic administrator who sued the university and former football coach Les Miles, accusing them of covering up sexual harassment allegations against Miles.

District Judge Beau Higgonbotham ruled there was no legal basis for the allegations Sharon Lewis and her lead attorney, Larry English, made that Miles violated the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, attorneys for both sides confirmed. He ordered them to pay Miles under procedural rules that allow "reasonable expenses" be paid to opposing parties on litigation that violates the civil code.

 

 

[Hatchertiger]

Shrimper survived almost 3 days in water after his boat sank in Vermillion Bay. 

https://www.katc.com/63-year-old-shrimper-rescued-near-vermilion-bay

[houtiger]

15 hours ago, Hatchertiger said:

Shrimper survived almost 3 days in water after his boat sank in Vermillion Bay. 

https://www.katc.com/63-year-old-shrimper-rescued-near-vermilion-bay

Ed O?

[LSUfan71]

On 2/19/2019 at 9:50 PM, dachsie said:

Losing A/C?

[Nutriaitch]

19 hours ago, Hatchertiger said:

Shrimper survived almost 3 days in water after his boat sank in Vermillion Bay. 

https://www.katc.com/63-year-old-shrimper-rescued-near-vermilion-bay

 

3 hours ago, houtiger said:

Ed O?

he said Vermillion Bay, not Caminada

[houtiger]

I worked with a guy who played football for Katy High Tigers, winners of several state championships in TX, and usually annual contenders.  I asked him what made them so good and consistent.  He said it was a combination of things, but the culture of the town supported the football team, it was a big deal.  The high school coaches invited all the little league coaches to clinics and taught them to run the Katy offense and defense.  Kids grew up with it.  He said there was strict accountability, if you were supposed to be somewhere at a certain time and do a certain thing, you better be missing a leg or lying in a ditch unconscious.  There was great pressure, from your teammates, to do what was necessary to win.  And they do.

He got a scholarship to U of Houston, played DT for them.  I would say he looked about 6' 1" or 2", went about 220 - 230.  I said my god, you don't look big enough to play DT.  He laughed.  Said in high school he was 250 ish, bulked up on weight lifting.  In college he played at 280.  He said it was not good weight.  At U of H, they told them to work out and eat everything in sight (not like LSU's current strength and nutrition program).  He said it was a struggle to keep his weight up and now he was glad to be back down to a normal weight.

I asked him about the difference between the football powers and the regular D1 schools like U of H.  He said it boils down to size.  There are not that many linemen that go 6' 6" and 320 or above plus are athletic and move quickly, and they all get scholarships to the football powers.  He said at the smaller schools, there are some truly GREAT athletes, they are just a bit smaller.  They match up every other way, just as quick, can jump just as well, speedsters, you name it, they are just smaller.

[dachsie]

Good article about the ECU-Marshall connection to that plane crash in 1970.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38378169/marshall-east-carolina-red-dawson-bond-1970-plane-crash

[houtiger]

Here is a great interview this week with Gary Player, 87 years old.  Look how fit he looks, could pass for 70.  His mind is sharp as a tack.