LSUDad Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 LSU's passing success may be turning DBU into WRU Les East | 2 hours ago DBU is becoming WRU. LSU calls itself DBU because of its track record in producing defensive backs who win major college accolades on their way to becoming high NFL draft choices and outstanding professional players. Think of former Tigers such as Patrick Peterson, Morris Claiborne, Tyrann Mathieu, Jamal Adams and Tre’Davious White, not to mention current Tigers Grant Delpit and Derek Stingley Jr. LSU has sent a few wide receivers to the NFL whose performances have greatly exceeded what they were able to do within the limitations of their college offense. Think of former Tigers such as Odell Beckham Jr., Jarvis Landry and D.J. Chark. But the trio of wide receivers in LSU’s record-setting offense this season are going to be entering the NFL over the next couple of years and by the time their college careers are done that nickname might just have to be changed. Justin Jefferson. Ja’Marr Chase. Terrace Marshall Jr. WRU. All three have had seasons that are uncharacteristic of LSU receivers — at least, they were uncharacteristic until passing game coordinator Joe Brady and quarterback Joe Burrow transformed the Tigers’ offense this season. LSU is going to play Clemson in the CFP Championship Game on Jan. 13 at the Mercedes-Benz Superdome in New Orleans (8 p.m., ESPN). Burrow won the Heisman Trophy by a record margin for being on the throwing end of the most prolific passing game in SEC history. Chase, Jefferson and Marshall have been the primary guys on the receiving end. Chase won the Fred Biletnikoff Award as the nation’s best wide receiver. Jefferson has been as good as Chase. Marshall has been the silver medalist on this relay team, but he has had limited opportunities because of early season foot surgery. Both Chase and Jefferson have caught a school-record 18 touchdowns, 50 percent more than Dwayne Bowe’s previous record and matching former Florida receiver Reidel Anthony’s SEC record. Chase has been the biggest-play receiver, amassing 1,559 yards on 75 catches for an average of 20.8 yards per catch. Jefferson’s 14 catches in the 62-28 CFP semifinal victory against Oklahoma on Saturday gave him 102 for the season, breaking Josh Reed’s school record of 95 that had seemed to be one of the hardest-to-reach individual records in Tigers history. Jefferson might have had a chip on his shoulder about being underappreciated. After being named second-team All-SEC by the AP as a sophomore last season, he didn’t make either the first or second team this season. Cody Worsham@CodyWorsham Justin Jefferson made it clear before the game. He paid attention to every postseason award snub. “I’m going to make them feel my wrath.” 14 catches, 228 yards, and 4 TDs later? Wrath felt. https://lsul.su/2SCqgmY Jefferson was the clear-cut No. 1 receiver as a sophomore last season as Chase and Marshall both struggled as highly touted true freshmen. This season, Marshall missed three full games after getting injured against Vanderbilt, but he still has 43 catches for 625 yards and 12 touchdowns, which tied the old school record. Brady has gotten a lot of deserved attention for transforming the Tigers’ passing game and helping Burrow become the almost certain No. 1 pick in the next NFL draft. Brady won the Broyles Award as the nation’s top assistant coach. But he doesn’t get nearly as much attention for his other responsibility, which is being wide receivers coach. It was under his guidance that Jefferson became even better this season even after being very good last season. It was under his guidance that Chase and Marshall went from disappointments to exceeding the extremely high expectations for them when they arrived at LSU. Burrow is impossible to stop — and nearly impossible to slow down enough to have a reasonable chance to beat him — because he has so many elite options from which to choose. Thaddeus Moss has had the most productive pass-catching season by an LSU tight end with 534 yards on 42 catches, and leading rusher Clyde Edwards-Helaire has been an important part of the passing game with 50 catches for 399 yards. LSU Football ✔@LSUfootball The #LSU record holder for receiving yards by a tight end #GeauxTigers | #CFBPlayoff 4,746 7:31 PM - Dec 28, 2019 But Chase, Jefferson and Marshall have been a huge part of Burrow’s success. Each time the ball is snapped, Burrow can see which player has the best matchup, and he knows at least one of them is going to win his. Probably more than one. He can usually pick the best of multiple really good options, knowing a reasonably good pass is going to produce a very good play. As LSU gets ready to play for a national championship, DBU will get ready by practicing against WRU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishhead Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 I mean yeah, but it's not turning into as much as it's adding wru. LSU is still very much dbu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houtiger Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 I think LSU and InbredGumps have the best trio of receivers this year, but LSU would have to sustain this performance for years to be WRU. We're not there yet, IMO. I think we are DBU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutriaitch Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 36 minutes ago, houtiger said: I think LSU and InbredGumps have the best trio of receivers this year, but LSU would have to sustain this performance for years to be WRU. We're not there yet, IMO. what if i told you only one school has 3 different guys with over 1,000 receiving yards in the NFL this year? take a guess at which school 36 minutes ago, houtiger said: I think we are DBU. there’s nothing to think about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchertiger Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 10 Jarvis Landry CLE WR 83 1,174 14.1 73.4 65 6 20 2 55 66.3 0 11 DeAndre Hopkins HOU WR 104 1,165 11.2 77.7 43T 7 16 1 68 65.4 0 12 Cooper Kupp LA WR 94 1,161 12.4 72.6 66 10 21 4 51 54.3 3 13 Mike Evans TB WR 67 1,157 17.3 89.0 67T 8 17 7 54 80.6 0 14 Allen Robinson CHI WR 98 1,147 11.7 71.7 49 7 15 1 63 64.3 0 15 Darren Waller OAK TE 90 1,145 12.7 71.6 75 3 14 2 53 58.9 1 16 Robert Woods LA WR 90 1,134 12.6 75.6 48 2 14 1 54 60.0 0 17 Stefon Diggs MIN WR 63 1,130 17.9 75.3 66 6 20 8 41 65.1 4 18 Julian Edelman NE WR 100 1,117 11.2 69.8 44 6 13 1 54 54.0 3 19 Courtland Sutton DEN WR 72 1,112 15.4 69.5 70T 6 18 6 50 69.4 2 20 Michael Gallup DAL WR 66 1,107 16.8 79.1 62 6 18 5 50 75.8 0 21 John Brown BUF WR 72 1,060 14.7 70.7 53T 6 17 3 53 73.6 0 22 Tyler Lockett SEA WR 82 1,057 12.9 66.1 44T 8 15 3 53 64.6 1 23 George Kittle SF TE 85 1,053 12.4 75.2 61T 5 16 2 53 62.4 1 24 A.J. Brown TEN WR 52 1,051 20.2 65.7 91T 8 15 8 39 75.0 1 25 Tyler Boyd CIN WR 90 1,046 11.6 65.4 47 5 12 3 51 56.7 2 26 Odell Beckham CLE WR 74 1,035 14.0 64.7 89T 4 16 3 44 59.5 0 27 D.J. Chark JAX WR 73 1,008 13.8 67.2 69 8 17 1 42 57.5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houtiger Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 (edited) Not only have they had players dominate while in college with 15 All-American selections since 2000, some of those being multiple selections for one player, but they have continued to do so in the NFL. Once they have made it to the NFL, some of these players have been at the top of their position for a long period of time. Patrick Peterson has been one of the best cornerbacks in the NFL since being drafted, making the Pro Bowl in all eight professional seasons and being named First-Team All-Pro three times. Tyrann Mathieu hasn’t been as consistently dominant as Peterson, but he has been one of the best safeties in the NFL since entering the league in 2013. He’s made a Pro Bowl and was First-Team All Pro in 2015 with the Arizona Cardinals. Jamal Adams is only entering his third year in the league in 2019, but has already shown he is as good as the sixth overall pick should be. In just his second season with the New York Jets, Adams was selected to the Pro Bowl. Even Eric Reid, who was the 18th pick in the 2013 NFL Draft by the San Francisco 49ers, made an immediate impact as a rookie, making the Pro Bowl at free safety. Since 2010, they have had 14 LSU defensive backs drafted. Five of those players were first-round picks and 10 of them were taken in the first three rounds. Many of those players have become solid contributors to their pro teams, even if they weren’t taken early. They had players dominate while in college with 15 All-American selections since 2000, some of those being multiple selections for one player . The last 20 years have been great for LSU with both the quantity of defensive backs going to the NFL, and with quality of all americans at LSU and pro bowl players in the NFL. Heck, Ron Brooks never started at LSU, but he started for a few years up at Buffalo and played well. For the wide receivers to achieve the same acclaim, they need to match the quantity of players produced, and the quality, and do it over an extended period of time, like 15 years at least. We've produced a few excellent receivers over that time, but the numbers don't match what we've produced on defensive backs. Edited December 30, 2019 by houtiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutriaitch Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, houtiger said: For the wide receivers to achieve the same acclaim, they need to match the quantity of players produced, and the quality, and do it over an extended period of time, like 15 years at least. We've produced a few excellent receivers over that time, but the numbers don't match what we've produced on defensive backs. here is where we disagree. we don’t have to equal what we do at another position. we just have to out produce the rest of America at that particular position. And believe it or not we’re pretty deep at WR in the NFL. Deep enough to hold our own with anyone else out there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishhead Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 6 hours ago, houtiger said: I think LSU and InbredGumps have the best trio of receivers this year, but LSU would have to sustain this performance for years to be WRU. We're not there yet, IMO. See above I think we are DBU. Indeed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houtiger Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Nutriaitch said: here is where we disagree. we don’t have to equal what we do at another position. we just have to out produce the rest of America at that particular position. And believe it or not we’re pretty deep at WR in the NFL. Deep enough to hold our own with anyone else out there. We do disagree. You are making up your own definition of WRU, and you are leaving out the part about sustaining the production over a considerable period of time. We are DBU precisely because everyone notices that we have produced a good quantity of top quality DB's, top draft picks that have been pro bowl level players, and we've done it over a considerable period of time. Quote The Longhorns have had 10 defensive backs drafted over the last 10 years, with four first-round selections (Kenny Vaccaro, Earl Thomas, Michael Griffin and Aaron Ross). That's impressive, but LSU's had 15 defensive backs selected over the same time period, while Alabama's had 13 (compared to Florida's 10). Going back to 1965 again, LSU has had 44 defensive backs drafted, the most of the three SEC teams, but Alabama is tops in first-round selections with nine. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2653562-which-school-has-the-strongest-claim-on-the-dbu-moniker When you look at any justification for earning the moniker of DBU, they all include SUSTAINED PRODUCTION over time. We are not there yet on the wide receivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutriaitch Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Just now, houtiger said: We do disagree. You are making up your own definition of WRU, and you are leaving out the part about sustaining the production over a considerable period of time. how would you define “position-u” if not as producing more of that position than anyone else does? like i have literally never in my entire life heard it described in any other way than that. EVER. by anyone. we are DBU because we out produce everyone else. Not because we out produce our other positions. and look at our numbers compared to other out there at WR. for quite sometime now. they stack up quite well with anyone Rivals agrees with me that we stack up against anyone: https://n.rivals.com/news/which-program-is-wru-five-schools-stake-their-claim and this is after guys like Josh Reed Devery Henderson, Rueben Randle, Dwayne Bowe, Tristan Holloway, Early Doucet were already retired after productive careers. Russell Gage is there now too. Devery brings us back 15+ years now. 15+ years of very steadily producing quality WRs to the NFL. How long does it have to go on? do we have to go back to Todd Kinchen, Eddie Kennison, Larry Foster days? i mean at absolute worst, we have a seat at the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutriaitch Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 other sites that have us in at least the top 5: https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/27207990/position-u-which-schools-produce-most-talent-position https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/enough-arguing-which-school-is-wru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houtiger Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 14 minutes ago, Nutriaitch said: i mean at absolute worst, we have a seat at the table. I agree we are in the discussion at WR. But our record of excellence at DB is far better. Let's look at pro bowl appearances and go back to Dwayne Bowe with the Chiefs in 2010. There were no LSU WR who went to the pro bowl from 1990 - 2010, a twenty year dry spell. So you've got: Jarvis Landry - 4 OBJ - 3 Dwayne Bowe - 1 Total of 8 appearances by 3 guys At DB, you've got: Jamal Adams -1 Patrick Peterson - 8 Tyrann Mathieu - 1 Eric Reid - 1 Laron Landry - 1 Total 12 appearances by 5 guys. Jamal Adams has a chance to make more trips, and it is possible some of our young DB's in the league will show out and make it, like Tre White or Gready Williams, Donte Jackson, Kristian Fulton, Grant Delpit, Derick Stingley (2 years away). One Tiger made the pro bowl at corner in 2004, Tory James with Cincy. We stand a good chance to move up in the WR rankings with Jefferson, Chase and Marshall in the next few years. I will find that interesting to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutriaitch Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 12 minutes ago, houtiger said: I agree we are in the discussion at WR. But our record of excellence at DB is far better. well no sh¡t. our production at DB is as good as any school at any position. but we are 100% in the mix for WRU also, because every human being on the planet other than you determines “position-u” the same way i do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houtiger Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, Nutriaitch said: well no sh¡t. our production at DB is as good as any school at any position. but we are 100% in the mix for WRU also, because every human being on the planet other than you determines “position-u” the same way i do. You would be wrong about that. Here is a ranking that concludes LSU is DBU, and they reason like I do. Quote 4. Consistency LSU has consistently put out talented defensive backs, having at least one cornerback or safety be drafted in eight of the last nine drafts. They aren’t a school that struggles to get defensive backs draft year in and year out. If a player goes to LSU and earns playing time, there is a really good chance they will be selected come draft day. 5. Bright Past and Brighter Future The last 10 or 15 years have been really good for the Tigers with Peterson, Mathieu, and many others. But LSU is still pumping out talent with the next group of Adams, Tre’Davious White, Greedy Williams, and Donte Jackson. Not only has their run of top-level talent on the back end of their defense gone on for well over a decade, but it could easily continue for another decade. https://fanbuzz.com/college-football/sec/lsu/lsu-defensive-back-university/ It is about putting out players that go on to success in the NFL, it is about a level of EXCELLENCE shown by awards like all american and pro bowl level play, and it is about doing that over an extended period of time (consistency and "the past"). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutriaitch Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 hour ago, houtiger said: You would be wrong about that. Here is a ranking that concludes LSU is DBU, and they reason like I do. It is about putting out players that go on to success in the NFL, it is about a level of EXCELLENCE shown by awards like all american and pro bowl level play, and it is about doing that over an extended period of time (consistency and "the past"). Reasons #1 and #2 from your own article are about QUANTITY. #1 Though they may not have all turned into the All-Pro players for where they went in the draft, LSU has been producing top-tier picks for defensive backs faster than the rest of the country. #2Not only are they producing top talent, but LSU sends a ton of players on to be NFL Draft picks. so according to your own link, the TOP TWO reasons we are DBU is based on sheer number of guys compared to rest of the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houtiger Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Nutriaitch said: Reasons #1 and #2 from your own article are about QUANTITY. #1 Though they may not have all turned into the All-Pro players for where they went in the draft, LSU has been producing top-tier picks for defensive backs faster than the rest of the country. #2Not only are they producing top talent, but LSU sends a ton of players on to be NFL Draft picks. so according to your own link, the TOP TWO reasons we are DBU is based on sheer number of guys compared to rest of the country. But to be DBU, you need all 5 reasons. You can't just use 2 and forget about the rest. It takes the whole package, and longevity of production counts also. I would love to see us be both DBU and WRU, but the WRU remains to be seen. The current crew of Jefferson, Chase and Marshall could tilt the deal just a little down the road. Edited December 31, 2019 by houtiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herb Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 NFLU. We got it all. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSUDad Posted April 10, 2020 Author Share Posted April 10, 2020 On 12/29/2019 at 8:43 PM, Fishhead said: I mean yeah, but it's not turning into as much as it's adding wru. LSU is still very much dbu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSUDad Posted April 10, 2020 Author Share Posted April 10, 2020 Five-star WR says LSU football is a “Wide Receiver U” by Zach Ragan2 days agoFollow @zachTNT One of the nation’s top rated recruits says LSU football is a “wide receiver U”. LSU is one of many programs hoping to land a commitment from 2021 five-star wide receiver Troy Franklin. Franklin, 6-foot-2/170 lbs from Menlo Park, CA (Menlo Atherton), is rated in 247Sports’ composite rankings as the No. 4 player in the state of California and the No. 3 wide receiver in the nation. He’s also rated as the No. 30 overall 2021 recruit. The dynamic wide receiver recently broke down his top six schools (Alabama, Arizona State, LSU, Oregon, USC and Washington) with 247Sports. Franklin told 247Sports “I love the energy that LSU brings out. I have a great relationship with the coaches and they became a Wide Receiver U this past year.” He certainly isn’t wrong. The Tigers had the best wide receiver duo in the nation in 2019, with Ja’Marr Chase catching 84 passes for 1,780 yards and Justin Jefferson catching 111 passes for 1,540 yards. Terrace Marshall Jr also caught 46 passes for 671 yards. SPONSORED BY AUTONATION We’re Open & Ready to Assist SEE MORE Jefferson is moving on to the NFL, but LSU will still have Chase and Marshall on the field in 2020. They’ll also have incoming five-star wide receiver Kayshon Boutte, who could immediately contribute as a true freshman next season. The Tigers are remaining committed to having a high powered passing attack under offensive coordinator Steve Ensminger and new passing game coordinator Scott Linehan. Buy Now! When LSU hired Linehan, Tigers head coach Ed Orgeron said he could “expand” the Tigers’ passing game. If that’s the thought process moving forward, then there’s no reason to expect that LSU won’t continue to be “wide receiver U” for years to come. Last month, Rivals suggested that LSU has the sixth best odds to land Franklin out of his top schools. But they acknowledged that if the Tigers are able to get Franklin to Baton Rouge for an official visit (once the coronavirus pandemic subsides), then LSU could quickly jump to the top of the list. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herb Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Coach O is dialing up all his Cali contacts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houtiger Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 Justin Jefferson and JaMarr Chase have certainly improved LSU's claim to WRU. Those guys are golden! Maybe Terrace Marshall can develop some more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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