LSUDad Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 LSU athletes involved in 'traumatic' fatal shooting, school says; no athletes shot ADVOCATE STAFF REPORT DEC 22, 2018 - 1:18 PM Buy Now Baton Rouge Police Dept. officers, East Baton Rouge Coroner's Office personnel and others work the scene of a reported shooting fatality on 68th Ave., Saturday, Dec. 22, 2018. The shooting occurred in the early afternoon, and a bystander said they believed a person in or around the white Chevrolet Silverado truck, center, was the victim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSUDad Posted December 22, 2018 Author Share Posted December 22, 2018 I just got home, got one name, fixing to make a call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herb Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Two LSU athletes involved in fatal Scotlandville shooting: BRPD Updated 5:09 PM; Posted 4:31 PM A close-up photo of police lights by night (Getty) 2 70shares By Brody Miller, NOLA.com | The Times-Picayune and Amie Just, NOLA.com | The Times-Picayune The Times-Picayune and Amie Just, NOLA.com | The Times-Picayune One person was killed in the back seat of a truck in a fatal shooting in the Scotlandville-area in Baton Rouge Saturday (Dec. 22) involving two LSU student-athletes, according to reports from the Baton Rouge Police Department and LSU officials. The two student-athletes have been detained for questioning regarding the shooting, Baton Rouge police spokesman Sgt. L’Jean McKneely confirmed to NOLA.com | The Times-Picayune. The call to police came in around noon on Saturday from the two student athletes, McKneely said. The location of the shooting was the 2900 block of 68th Avenue. The two student-athletes waited for police to arrive at the scene before being taken in for questioning. LSU confirmed two athletes were involved in the shooting and that neither were the person killed. The identities of the athletes is unknown. “We have today been in constant contact with law enforcement regarding this terrible situation,” LSU Vice Chancellor and Director of Athletics Joe Alleva said. “Right now, our concern is for the safety and well-being of our student athletes. They have been involved in a traumatic incident and we have made our counselors available to assist immediately." This story will be updated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herb Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 A source with knowledge of the investigation confirmed that LSU football player Clyde Edwards-Helaire is one of the athletes who was taken in for questioning. The source spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSUDad Posted December 22, 2018 Author Share Posted December 22, 2018 Report: LSU RB in custody after shooting that leaves 1 dead ByJORDAN JAMES 2 hours ago Share 0 Comments At least one LSU football player was involved in a shooting incident that left one man dead in the backseat of a truck. The deceased individual, who was not a LSU athlete, died in Baton Rouge after a shooting that occurred on Saturday afternoon, according to a report from The Advocate. There were two LSU student-athletes, one has been identified as Tigers sophomore running back Clyde Edwards-Helaire, involved. The players were taken into custody for questioning, although they were not placed under arrest, Baton Rouge police spokesman Sgt. L'Jean McKneely told The Advocate. The athletes called 911 after the shooting, and then they waited for police to arrive on the scene. A possible motive for the shooting has yet to be revealed. Edwards-Helaire played in all 12 of LSU's games this season. Senior Tigers running back Nick Brossette started 10 of the games at running back, while junior Lanard Fournette started the other two. However, Edwards-Helaire was still productive, rushing 136 times for 626 yards and seven touchdowns. The sophomore also caught eight passes for 71 yards. Edwards-Helaire had a season-high two touchdowns to go along with 136 rushing yards in a Week 4 win over Louisiana Tech. "Coach (offensive coordinator Steve Ensminger) put me in the right positions, and (running backs coach Tommie Robinson) is able to give personnel to certain backs, we practiced it and it worked perfect," Edwards-Helaire said after his performance versus Louisiana Tech. "The offense Coach E runs is perfect for any type of back. Being able to have that contrast with Nick and I is something a lot of coaches don’t have the luxury of." Edwards-Helaire joined LSU as a 247Sports Composite three-star recruit in the class of 2017. The running back attended Catholic High School in Baton Rouge, and he was ranked as the No. 15 overall player in Louisiana. As a freshman, Edwards-Helaire appeared in 13 games, while rushing nine times for 31 yards. The sophomore has also served on the offensive kickoff return team during both his seasons on the Tigers roster. LSU Vice Chancellor and Director of Athletics Joe Alleva addressed the fatal shooting in a statement. "Right now, our concern is for the safety and well-being of our student athletes," Alleva wrote. "They have been involved in a traumatic incident and we have made our counselors available to assist immediately." No. 11 LSU (9-3) is scheduled to face the No. 8 UCF Knights (12-0) in the PlayStation Fiesta Bowl on New Year's Day. UCF enters the matchup with a 25-game winning streak. The game will be played at State Farm Stadium in Glendale, Ariz. "You can see most of the teams that they played like Memphis, they wore them out. They scored a lot points in the fourth quarter," LSU head coach Ed Orgeron said about UCF earlier this month. "We're going to have to play a lot of guys. Their tempo is lightning speed. We're going to have to match it. We've got 15 days to match. I think (defensive coordinator) Dave Aranda has a very good plan. We're going to have to keep our guys fresh. "We're very thin at some positions, but we're going to have to rotate and we're going to have to play some new guys and let them play." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishhead Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 So who knows what the hell happened?? CEH evidently shot a dude that was trying to rob him, presumably armed robbery attempt. I believe CEHs dad is a cop. I hate this happened, but hope like hell he was simply defending himself and whomever the other athlete is. Cops questioned and released... says a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSUDad Posted December 23, 2018 Author Share Posted December 23, 2018 Attorney of LSU players Clyde Edwards-Helaire, Jared Small cites self-defense in shooting: report Updated Dec 22, 11:23 PM; Posted Dec 22, 10:08 PM Police tape still wraps a mailbox in the 2900 block of 68th Avenue in the Scotlandville neighborhood of Baton Rouge after a fatal shooting occurred on the premises on Saturday (Dec. 22). Two LSU student-athletes were taken in for questioning in connection to the shooting. (Amie Just, NOLA.com | The Times-Picayune) 13 34shares By Amie Just, NOLA.com | The Times-Picayune ajust@nola.com The Times-Picayune An attorney representing LSU running back Clyde Edwards-Helaire and walk-on linebacker Jared Small said he believes his clients acted in self-defense in Saturday’s shooting that left one person dead, according to The Baton Rouge Advocate. “We believe this is an act of self-defense and the evidence will show that,” Christopher Murell, one of the attorneys representing the men, told the Advocate on Saturday evening. Edwards-Helaire and Small were questioned for several hours and released Saturday evening without arrest. After the two were released from custody, Baton Rouge police spokesman Sgt. L’Jean McKneely told NOLA.com | The Times-Picayune that the case was still under investigation, but the investigation “appears to be” leaning toward self-defense. Edwards-Helaire and Small placed the call to police to report the shooting. The pair stayed at the scene — the 2900 block of 68th Avenue — until police arrived, McKneely said. The shooting occurred in the back seat of a truck around noon in the Baton Rouge neighborhood of Scotlandville. The family of the deceased had not yet been notified as of 7 p.m. Saturday, Baton Rouge police spokesman McKneely said. The deceased is not a LSU student-athlete. LSU confirmed Saturday afternoon that the two persons involved in the shooting were student-athletes, but did not confirm their identities. “We have today been in constant contact with law enforcement regarding this terrible situation,” LSU Vice Chancellor and Director of Athletics Joe Alleva said in a statement released Saturday afternoon. “Right now, our concern is for the safety and well-being of our student athletes. They have been involved in a traumatic incident and we have made our counselors available to assist immediately." Edwards-Helaire is one of LSU’s two top running backs this season and has rushed for 626 yards and seven touchdowns in his sophomore campaign. He has played in all 12 of LSU’s games. Small has played in four games this season, but has not recorded any statistics. Edwards-Helaire and Small are Baton Rouge natives who both attended Catholic High. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herb Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 I figured that when Alleva started talking about the "primary concern being the safety of LSU student-athletes" that this was probably not something where LSU players were suspects. Sounds like this was a case where CEH and Jared Small were victims of an attempted armed robbery and the shooting was self-defense. Both players were released without being charged and 2 handguns were recovered from the scene. Quote While no firm details of how the shooting happened were given, attorneys for Clyde Edwards-Helaire, a top LSU running back, and Jared Small, a walk-on linebacker, say the shooting happened in self-defense. McKneely said two guns were recovered from the scene of the shooting. "We believe this is an act of self-defense and the evidence will show that," said Christopher Murell, one of the three attorneys representing Edwards-Helaire and Small, who are also both graduates of Catholic High School in Baton Rouge. The man was found dead in the back seat of a white truck Saturday afternoon in the 2900 block of 68th Avenue in the Scotlandville area, McKneely said. Edwards-Helaire and Small had also been in the truck and called 911 after the shooting. The two waited at the scene for police and cooperated. McKneely said he did not expect any arrest or charges to be filed against the athletes as of Saturday, but would not comment on a possible motive of the shooting. He also did not identify anyone involved in the shooting.[/quote] I hope everyone involved can eventually come to terms and peace over the incident...even though this appears to be self defense, any type of incident like this is traumatic to everyone that is not a criminal or psychopath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herb Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 Note that the last paragraph is mine and not part of tyhe article I quoted...not sure why it was included with the quote - or why it does not allow me to edit it out of the quote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchertiger Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 No idea if this is accurate, just putting it out there for consideration; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishhead Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 5 hours ago, Hatchertiger said: No idea if this is accurate, just putting it out there for consideration; Quite frankly, it doesn't matter if that is accurate. One isn't required to have a CCL in Louisiana to have a gun in their vehicle. Also... "18-year-old fatally shot by LSU player was attempting armed robbery, police say" He's within his rights to defend himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchertiger Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 8 hours ago, Fishhead said: Quite frankly, it doesn't matter if that is accurate. Yes it does in one respect, if he was illegally possessing a firearm he could be charged for that even if the firearm was used self defense. Neither has been charged for that so I am assuming they were in legal possession of the firearm used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSUDad Posted December 24, 2018 Author Share Posted December 24, 2018 This one may answer a few questions. Suspect Killed Attempting Robbery of LSU Football Players Posted by LET Staff | Dec 23, 2018| Investigations, Featured | 11,742 BATON ROUGE, La. — LSU football players Clyde Edwards-Helaire and Jared Small were attempting to sell electronics in an area of north Baton Rouge known for burglary and theft when one of them reportedly shot and killed 18-year-old Kobe Johnson, reported the Daily Advisor. Baton Rouge police said that Johnson was attempting an armed robbery of the athletes. Johnson, who died at the scene Saturday afternoon, “pulled out a weapon and demanded their belongings” while in the back seat of a truck in which Edwards-Helaire and Small were in the front seat, according to a release by Baton Rouge police information officer, Sgt. L’Jean McKneely J. Johnson, who lived a few blocks from where the shooting occurred in the Scotlandville community, “was shot during an attempted robbery of two LSU student-athletes,” the release said. “The student-athletes were attempting to sell an electronic item. One of the student-athletes was able to pull out a handgun and fire, striking Johnson multiple times,” the release said. A suspect was killed reportedly attempting a robbery of two LSU Football Players, Jared Small (L) and Clyde Edwards-Helaire. (Screenshot WBRZ broadcast) Report this ad Edwards-Helaire is a sophomore tailback for LSU. He is the team’s second leading rusher with 626 yards and seven touchdowns. Small is a freshman walk-on reserve linebacker. Both men were questioned for several hours Saturday afternoon at the violent crimes unit at state police headquarters in Baton Rouge. Following the interview, they were released and not charged Saturday night. Both went to Catholic High in Baton Rouge. After the fatal shooting, one of the players called 911 and each waited for police to arrive. McKneely said Sunday morning he knew of no previous criminal record for Johnson, who lived in Scotlandville. “This shooting is still under investigation,” McKneely said. Attorney Christopher Murell, who is among those representing Edwards-Helaire and Small, could not be reached for comment. He has said in other media reports that the LSU player who shot Johnson reacted in self defense, making the homicide justifiable. In a little over a week, Edwards-Helaire is expected to join the Tigers in the Fiesta Bowl, reported WBRZ. LSU athletic director Joe Alleva released a statement Saturday. “We have been in constant contact with law enforcement regarding this terrible situation,” Alleva said. “Right now, our concern is for the safety and well being of our student-athletes. They have been involved in a traumatic incident, and we have made our counselors available to assist immediately.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchertiger Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 4 hours ago, Hatchertiger said: Yes it does in one respect, if he was illegally possessing a firearm he could be charged for that even if the firearm was used self defense. Neither has been charged for that so I am assuming they were in legal possession of the firearm used. But if if were me and somebody pointed a gun at me and threatened me I'm gonna use whatever gun is available to defend myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishhead Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 10 hours ago, Hatchertiger said: Yes it does in one respect, if he was illegally possessing a firearm he could be charged for that even if the firearm was used self defense. Neither has been charged for that so I am assuming they were in legal possession of the firearm used. I guess I understand considering the possibility, but I kinda don't. He was questioned and released, no charges. Assuming CEH was the shooter, his dad is a LEO. I just doubt he had an illegal firearm. Licensing is not required in LA, and a vehicle is considered an extension of the home, so no CCL required either. On this one, I'm choosing to trust CEH simply legally defended himself and Small. Not really concerned about any charges coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchertiger Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 22 hours ago, Fishhead said: I just doubt he had an illegal firearm. I haven't read where anyone has claimed he had an illegal firearm. Like the original tweet I posted states Clyde apparently has a conceal permit and the follow up post that he was not arrested on any gun charges, it would appear whoever had a gun had it legally. However, while you don't have register a gun in Louisiana, you still must be in legal possession not to get charged. It is a crime in Louisiana to be in illegal possession (stolen for example) of a gun even if you use it legally. Bottom line is very much looking like Clyde and company did everything by the book and in self defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSUDad Posted December 26, 2018 Author Share Posted December 26, 2018 Man Fatally Shot By LSU Football Players Was Trying To Rob Them byTom Gantert 9 hrs-edited Kobe Johnson was shot dead in the back seat of a truck after attempting an armed robbery of two LSU football players Baton Rouge, LA – Two Louisiana State University football players were involved in a shooting death of an 18-year-old man who was trying to rob them at gunpoint in the back seat of a pickup truck. Police said the two college football players were trying to sell electronics at 12:11 p.m. Saturday when 18-year-old Kobe Johnson pulled a weapon on them, according to WBRZ. The players were identified as LSU running back Clyde Edwards-Helaire and linebacker Jared Small. Authorities didn’t say which athlete shot Johnson multiple times. After shooting Johnson, the two LSU players waited at the scene until the police arrived, WBRZ reported. The Baton Rouge Police Department detained Edwards-Helaire and Small for questioning. Both players were released without being charged, according to WBRZ. Police are saying the fatal shooting was self-defense. Edwards-Helaire is a sophomore and the starting fullback for LSU. Small is a freshman and a walk on. Johnson was not a football player. LSU Vice Chancellor and Director of Athletics Joe Alleva said in a statement their concern is the students' safety, according to WBRZ. "We have today been in constant contact with law enforcement regarding this terrible situation,” the statement from LSU read, according to WBRZ. “Right now, our concern is for the safety and well being of our student-athletes. They have been involved in a traumatic incident and we have made our counselors available to assist immediately. All questions regarding the investigation should be directed to law enforcement at this time". LSU is 9-3 this season and playing in the Fiesta Bowl at 1 p.m. Jan. 1 against the University of Central Florida. The game has special interest because UCF has not lost a game in two seasons and has a 25-game winning streak with a 12-0 record this year. Despite its undefeated seasons, UCF has been kept out of the College Football Playoff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSUDad Posted December 26, 2018 Author Share Posted December 26, 2018 How do Louisiana self-defense laws apply in fatal shooting involving LSU players? Updated Dec 23; Posted Dec 23 (Getty Images) (Getty Images) 2 93shares By Michelle Hunter, NOLA.com | The Times-Picayune michelle_hunter@nola.com The Times-Picayune LSU football players Clyde Edwards-Helaire and Jared Small were released without charges Saturday evening (Dec. 22), after several hours of questioning about a fatal shooting that police say occurred during an attempted armed robbery in the Scotlandville area of Baton Rouge. Though the case is still under investigation, Baton Rouge police are leaning toward ruling the shooting death of suspected robber Kobe Johnson, 18, a “justifiable homicide,” Sgt. L’Jean McKneely said Sunday. 18-year-old shot dead in attempted robbery of LSU players Clyde Edwards-Helaire, Jared Small: BRP Quite a few questions remain unanswered. But a legal expert said the case for self-defense is clear-cut. “If you’re not doing anything wrong, and you’re legally carrying a gun and somebody pulls a gun on you, you have every right to pull a gun in response and fire it,” said Ken Levy, a professor of criminal law at LSU Law School. Edwards-Helaire, a sophomore running back, and Small, a freshman linebacker, met up with Johnson just after noon in the 2900 block of 68th Avenue. One of the football players – police didn’t say which – had arranged via social media to sell an unidentified type of electronic device, according to McKneely. Edwards-Helaire and Small were in the front seats of a Chevrolet Silverado pickup truck while Johnson was in the back seat, police said. But instead of making the transaction, Johnson is accused of pulling out a gun and demanding the football players’ belongings. One of the students – again, police haven’t said which one – was armed with a handgun and shot Johnson more than once. Johnson was still in the truck’s back seat when Baton Rouge police arrived, according to authorities. He was pronounced dead at the scene. State law allows a person to use proportional force when they reasonably believe that an unlawful attack is imminent, according to Levy. The key there is “proportional,” or equal, force. “When somebody pulls a gun, that’s deadly force and, therefore, deadly force is proportional,” he said. Christopher Murrell, an attorney representing Edwards-Helaire and Small, told The Advocate he believes his clients acted in self-defense. But that claim would weaken if police discover illegal acts on the part of the student-athletes, according to Levy. For example, a person using a gun in self-defense during a drug exchange might not have the protection of the law, he said, though that scenario has not been suggested in this case. Edwards-Helaire and Small would have a problem if police determine the electronic device they were trying to sell had been reported stolen, or the player who fired the gun was barred from possessing a firearm for some reason, Levy also gave as an example. Convicted felons aren’t allowed to have firearms. Police have found nothing criminal, this far, about the student-athletes’ possession of the weapon, according to McKneely. Neither of the two handguns recovered from the truck Saturday had been reported stolen. “Assuming all the facts as we know them, it seems a pretty straightforward self-defense case” Levy said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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