Herb Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 Y'all are nuts about Petty...Wildflowers will go down as one of the greatest collections of songs ever. Prove me wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutriaitch Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 39 minutes ago, Herb said: Prove me wrong. how much bandwidth do you have in this site? because i can list multiple albums that have more great songs than the entire Wildflowers collection. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutriaitch Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 24 minutes ago, Nutriaitch said: how much bandwidth do you have in this site? because i can list multiple albums that have more great songs than the entire Wildflowers collection. to narrow it down, i can name multiple albums just from the year 1991 (hell i can name an album that just side A kicks all of Perry’s career’s ass) that have more truly great songs than the entire Wildflowers collection. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herb Posted October 21, 2022 Author Share Posted October 21, 2022 eff the bandwidth...go for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishhead Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 I've never even thought about smoking enough weed to think Tom Petty was anything special Notice when I faded out Breakdown in the intro... right when he started mumble-singing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutriaitch Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 11 hours ago, Nutriaitch said: i can name multiple albums just from the year 1991 (hell i can name an album that just side A kicks all of Perry’s career’s ass) that have more truly great songs than the entire Wildflowers collection. 11 hours ago, Herb said: eff the bandwidth...go for it. ok. just from 1991 Temple of the Dog - Temple of the Dog entire damn album is simply amazing and nothing Tom Petty ever recorded would be good enough to be included on it. Metallica - Metallica Enter Sandman Sad but True Holier than Thou The Unforgiven Nothing Else Matters Wherever I May Roam Pearl Jam - Ten (seriously, side A of this album is near perfection for an album side) Once Evenflow Alive Why Go Black Jeremy Ozzy Osbourne - No More Tears Mama I'm Coming Home No More Tears Time after Time Road to Nowhere Guns N' Roses - Use Your Illusion I Right Next Door to Hell Live and Let Die (a cover, but still a great version) Don't Cry Perfect Crime November Rain Coma Guns N' Roses - Use Your Illusion II Civil War Yesterdays Knockin' on Heaven's Door ( a PHENOMENAL cover) Estranged You Could Be Mine Nirvana - Nevermind Smells Like Teen Spirit In Bloom Come as You Are Lithium Polly Drain You On a Plain Something in the Way (although the unplugged version is better than this one) Soundgarden - Badmotorfinger Rusty Cage Outshined Stevie Ray Vaughan - The Sky is Crying The Sky is Crying Little Wing (probably the only human ever that can get away with covering Jimi like this) Life by the Drop I would prefer to listen to ever single one of these songs (plus some not mentioned) over anything by Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers. And hell, for some of these bands I listed, this ain't even their best work. And, that's leaving off Live and Unplugged albums that came out that year too (Paul McCartney - Unplugged was released in '91) because most of them are previously released songs by them. It's also leaving off bands that released huge albums that year (Red Hot Chili Peppers, REM, U2) because i don't care for them very much either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutriaitch Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 1993 was also a damn good year. Aerosmith - Get a Grip Crryin Crazy Amazing Candlebox - Candlebox Far Behind Cover Me You Smashing Pumpkins - Siamese Dream Cherub Rock Today Disarm Pearl Jam - Vs. Daughter Dissident Elderly Woman Behind the Counter in a Small Town Indifference Nirvana - In Utero Heart-Shaped Box Rape Me Dumb Penny Royal Tea All Apologies And while I'm not a fan of Hip Hop (or gangsta rap as it was called then), I can at least acknowledge the significance that Snoop Doggy Dogg - Doggystyle had on the rest of the decade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutriaitch Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 and for the sake of inclusion, Alice in Chains also has multiple albums with more great tunes than Tom Petty's entire career. Just none happened to be in the year listed above. Facelift (1990) We Die Young Man in the Box Dirt (1992) Them Bones Rain When I die Down in a Hole Rooster Angry Chair Would? Jar of Flies (only an EP, not even a full album) Nutshell I Stay Away No Excuses Don't Follow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutriaitch Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 want me to continue? because if I go back to the 60s and 70s, then he really doesn't stand a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchertiger Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 I guess some would consider this a petty discussion huh? Music is very subjective. Some people love Lawrence Welk: "Everybody polka!!!" Having said that, I've never been a huge Tom Petty fan but he's made some pretty good music. Knew he had died but didn't realize he had OD'd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herb Posted October 23, 2022 Author Share Posted October 23, 2022 It's not a discussion but more of a beatdown by Nootch (and Fishhead) for someone disagreeing with their point of view. I'll give an official reply later and had intended to try to keep the comparisons within the genre of Pop/Rock that Petty existed in (I'd say he was an "Americana" artist and existed in that space as opposed to Madonna or whoever . Comparing him to GunsNRoses has as much validity as comparing him to Louis Armstrong (or your mighty example of Lawrence Welk). I didn't care too much for his early 'Top 40' hit period of his early career, but as a songwriter (especially later in his career) he was in the upper altitude and there was a reason he was considered in the same discussion as other great songwriters. He compares more to Lyle Lovett and Elvis Costello than he does to Axel Rose. His songwriting was more lyric driven than virtuoso driven and more along the lines of Wilco than along the lines of great musicians like SRV or Frank Zappa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchertiger Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 22 minutes ago, Herb said: of Lawrence Welk Watched his show every Saturday evening when I was a kid at my grandparent's house. Also watched Hee Haw "Where oh where were you last night?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herb Posted October 23, 2022 Author Share Posted October 23, 2022 I actually enjoy watching Lawrence Welk re-runs. He had some great musicians in his orchestra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutriaitch Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 3 hours ago, Herb said: It's not a discussion but more of a beatdown by Nootch (and Fishhead) for someone disagreeing with their point of view. actually, I just like the debate and discussion. 3 hours ago, Herb said: I'll give an official reply later and had intended to try to keep the comparisons within the genre of Pop/Rock that Petty existed in (I'd say he was an "Americana" artist and existed in that space as opposed to Madonna or whoever . Comparing him to GunsNRoses has as much validity as comparing him to Louis Armstrong (or your mighty example of Lawrence Welk). Wait, when you said "Wildflowers will go down as one of the greatest collections of songs ever" you meant only in that very limited specific genre? um. OK. 3 hours ago, Herb said: I didn't care too much for his early 'Top 40' hit period of his early career, but as a songwriter (especially later in his career) he was in the upper altitude and there was a reason he was considered in the same discussion as other great songwriters. He compares more to Lyle Lovett and Elvis Costello than he does to Axel Rose. His songwriting was more lyric driven than virtuoso driven and more along the lines of Wilco than along the lines of great musicians like SRV or Frank Zappa. * Axl (sorry, couldn't resist ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishhead Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 On 10/23/2022 at 7:08 AM, Herb said: It's not a discussion but more of a beatdown by Nootch (and Fishhead) for someone disagreeing with their point of view. Makes one post in the thread: Beatdown? Honestly Herb, most of my chit talking has been INTENDED as good natured ribbing. I LOVE Breakdown love, my favorite song I ever played live with a cover band, 2nd is Interstate Love Song. Mary Jane was always fun in a bar full of drunks because everyone knew it. Other than that, oh well, ho hum is my opinion of Petty. Wildflowers, maybe if I listen to the lyrics, I might find something. Just not a fan of his vocals to be honest. Now Merle Haggard...THAT was a lyricist (to me) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herb Posted October 24, 2022 Author Share Posted October 24, 2022 34 minutes ago, Fishhead said: Honestly Herb, most of my chit talking has been INTENDED as good natured ribbing. And I'm dishing it right back, amigo! 35 minutes ago, Fishhead said: Just not a fan of his vocals to be honest. Me either...never was. Even on Wallflowers. But I will say that his poor singing voice made some people feel like it was okay for them to sing out loud. Lol. 36 minutes ago, Fishhead said: Now Merle Haggard...THAT was a lyricist (to me) Someone I need you to turn me onto more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchertiger Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 6 minutes ago, Herb said: Someone I need you to turn me onto more. Goes well with a bottle of good bourbon, I recommend Old Grand Dad 114 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishhead Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 Herb, just sent you a 100 song collection on fb messenger For real 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big T Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 Merle was the best! Thank God Regan got him out of jail! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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