Nutriaitch Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 OK, so we're 1/3 of the way through the SEC slate. Sure It's also the toughest stretch of SEC play for us, but still. we have an elephant in the room we need to address. We have only 1 arm averaging over 5 innings per appearance. And that's Paul Skenes who is averaging 6-1/3. He's a strikeout guy, so is pitch count is typically high early. But for our Ace to be under 7 innings per start isn't exactly where I think we'd want to be. Our Saturday (Floyd) is just over 4-1/3 per appearance. If you're doing the math in your head, that 8 freaking innings we need to get from our bullpen on average Fri-Sat. then we get to Sunday and Thatcher Hurd. to hell with averaging 5+. He's thrown a TOTAL of 5-1/2 in 3 starts against SEC teams. that puts us needing 16+ innings from the pen on a typical weekend. Edwards can get you 3-4 in a weekend Herring can probably get you 2, maybe 3 in a weekend. Shores another 3. I don't think that's going to cut it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishhead Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 Shores can get you zero this weekend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchertiger Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 Paging Johnny Wholestaff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishhead Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 First time I'll say this, but JJ pissed me off tonight. I have a connection to Micah Bucknam so I'm certainly not trashing him, but wth was the thought process bringing him in down only 2 to a top ten team on the road? And just leaving him in there to die? Big Ts fave would've been my choice and he would've gone the whole rest of the game for you. Stapleton. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutriaitch Posted April 7, 2023 Author Share Posted April 7, 2023 8 minutes ago, Fishhead said: First time I'll say this, but JJ pissed me off tonight. I have a connection to Micah Bucknam so I'm certainly not trashing him, but wth was the thought process bringing him in down only 2 to a top ten team on the road? And just leaving him in there to die? Big Ts fave would've been my choice and he would've gone the whole rest of the game for you. Stapleton. yeah, I can't think of any good reason not to use Stapleton right out of the delay. and instead of leaving Hellmers to just rot out there, THAT'S when you leave use Money. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutriaitch Posted April 8, 2023 Author Share Posted April 8, 2023 On 4/4/2023 at 3:15 PM, Nutriaitch said: that puts us needing 16+ innings from the pen on a typical weekend. Edwards can get you 3-4 in a weekend Shores another 3. I don't think that's going to cut it. so much for that idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutriaitch Posted April 12, 2023 Author Share Posted April 12, 2023 so the deeper we go, the more of an issue this is becoming now. Skenes is now a tick below 6 innings per appearance. yes this is somewhat misleading due to the rainout shortening his last appearance. But he was that close to the 6 inning average that one rain shortened game dropped him below it. Floyd is still sitting at 4-1/3. That number needs to go up. He probably needs to add close to 2 innings to that number the rest of the way IMO. Who is the 3rd starter? We have 4 other arms averaging 2+ Innings per appearance (and nobody else averaging 3+). And that list of 4 is getting uglier by the day. Shores (averaging 2-2/3) - out until further notice. rumored to be season ending UCL. Edwards (averaging 2-1/3) - out until further notice. last seen clutching his elbow walking off the field. possibly season ending UCL. Hurd (averaging 2-2/3 and dropping) - has seemingly lost all command. his ERA over his last 4 appearance: 24.75 Stapleton (averaging exactly 2 innings) - prototypical middle innings guy. need more of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchertiger Posted April 12, 2023 Share Posted April 12, 2023 I had hope for Little but time is getting very short to show something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutriaitch Posted April 13, 2023 Author Share Posted April 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Hatchertiger said: I had hope for Little but time is getting very short to show something. I think we've seen enough of him to know that he probably isn't changing this year Coleman will make an appearance at some point this season, but bouncing back from Tommy John is always a crap shoot, so no telling what we get from him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishhead Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 Need Shores to continue improving Hurd is a disappointment to date Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutriaitch Posted April 13, 2023 Author Share Posted April 13, 2023 Skenes and Floyd right now are combining to average 10 innings per weekend. So we basically need 2 full games from the bullpen, and the best 2 (3?) bullpen arms are not available until....... No Shores, no Edwards, don't know when Ack will be back. Stapleton can get you 2 for sure (I think he can get his average up to 3 maybe even 4). But still, that leaves you at only 12-14, let's split it and call it 13. Gavin Guidry gives you 2, tops. you now need 11 innings from guys named: Little Money Helmers Dutton Hurd Collins All of whom currently posses ERA's above 6.00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishhead Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Fishhead said: Need Shores to continue improving Hurd is a disappointment to date I MEANT COLLINS Sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishhead Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 This weekend's starting rotation is... Skenes, Floyd, Little Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchertiger Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 Money can at least throw strikes but he gets a new ball waay too often. I had hoped he would have progressed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchertiger Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 10 hours ago, Nutriaitch said: I think we've seen enough of him to know that he probably isn't changing this year. Well they are running him back up there: Sat. @ 1 p.m. CT (SECN+) LSU – Jr RH Christian Little (2-1, 4.05 ERA, 20.0 IP, 10 BB, 31 SO) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutriaitch Posted April 13, 2023 Author Share Posted April 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Hatchertiger said: Well they are running him back up there: Sat. @ 1 p.m. CT (SECN+) LSU – Jr RH Christian Little (2-1, 4.05 ERA, 20.0 IP, 10 BB, 31 SO) but seriously,, at the point who else do you start? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchertiger Posted April 13, 2023 Share Posted April 13, 2023 33 minutes ago, Nutriaitch said: but seriously,, at the point who else do you start? Nobody. I know the theory there. Trot him out there and hope he has it. If not hopefully the bats and whatever you have left in the bull pen at the end of a series can pull off the win. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutriaitch Posted April 15, 2023 Author Share Posted April 15, 2023 did anyone else see who was warming up late last night? Javen freaking Coleman! can't wait to see how he bounces back. god I hope he still has all that wicked movement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishhead Posted April 16, 2023 Share Posted April 16, 2023 On 4/12/2023 at 9:56 PM, Hatchertiger said: Money can at least throw strikes but he gets a new ball waay too often. I had hoped he would have progressed. He did pretty well. Better than Hurd, that's for certain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishhead Posted April 16, 2023 Share Posted April 16, 2023 On 4/15/2023 at 7:58 AM, Nutriaitch said: did anyone else see who was warming up late last night? Javen freaking Coleman! can't wait to see how he bounces back. god I hope he still has all that wicked movement. I'm going to be honest here. The fact you're so hyped about this says it all about our current status as a pitching staff. I'm happy to see him obviously healing and rehabbing well enough to be able to pitch, but not looking for much from him. He struggled with control just like these guys we are complaining about now. What are we expecting? It is good to have another lefty option but I'm gonna reserve my excitement except I'm glad he's OK and can pitch again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchertiger Posted April 16, 2023 Share Posted April 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Fishhead said: He did pretty well. Yes lets hope Money can cash in on that and really make change it his game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutriaitch Posted April 17, 2023 Author Share Posted April 17, 2023 3 hours ago, Fishhead said: I'm going to be honest here. The fact you're so hyped about this says it all about our current status as a pitching staff. I'm happy to see him obviously healing and rehabbing well enough to be able to pitch, but not looking for much from him. He struggled with control just like these guys we are complaining about now. What are we expecting? It is good to have another lefty option but I'm gonna reserve my excitement except I'm glad he's OK and can pitch again. i agree with you completely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutriaitch Posted April 19, 2023 Author Share Posted April 19, 2023 So Coleman went 1 full. 16 pitches (9 for strikes) Wasn't always beautiful, but was definitely a positive outing. Fastball stayed elevated, but that's fixable. Good thing is the slider had some bite to it and stayed down in the zone. That doesn't always come back right away after TJ, so it being there already is a very pleasant surprise. Question will be how do we use him from here? Does he get another inning of work over the weekend? How long before we can reasonably expect a longer outing? Unfortunately, Money is apparently still Money and this past weekend was an accident. Hurd is a complete head case now. I don't know what to do to fix him, but he's gone so far backwards from his early season outings, that I'm wondering if his gear shift is stuck in Reverse now. Stapleton and Yellowstone look like they are just going to be inning eaters for us (they combined for over 90 pitches last night). Don't let the runs from last night fool you if you didn't watch the game. Stapleton pitched well enough to have only given up 1 run, outfielders completely losing sight of back to back routine fly balls cost him the extra runs that never should have scored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchertiger Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 (edited) 11 hours ago, Nutriaitch said: Sit him. Let him get his confidence back. Don't know what happened there. Talking about Hurd. We HAVE to find pitching. Edited April 20, 2023 by Hatchertiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishhead Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 I mean Money gave up the obligatory HR but was solid outside of that. A bunt single and a throw the bat out blooper on a good pitch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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