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55 minutes ago, Hatchertiger said:

Marshall "likely" to play vs. Aubbie. I doubt he starts and plays the whole game but he is someone to be accounted for when he is in the game for sure.

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Hope so, having him back will make it problematic for opponents to double team Jefferson/Chase 

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22 minutes ago, Eq4bits said:

Hope so, having him back will make it problematic for opponents to double team Jefferson/Chase 

Three headed monster at WR plus your mancrush beasting out at TE makes this a VERY difficult offense to contain.  

All the while, the running game is showing signs of a breakout with Clyde running well and TD Price really coming on strong of late!  

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Get to know Sting...

 

 

BATON ROUGE, Louisiana — LSU football true-freshman cornerback Derek Stingley Jr. came to the Tigers with high expectations, and the freshman has already made an impact.

Here's some basic info on Stingley Jr: 

Height: 6 feet, 1 inch

Weight: 190 pounds

Get to know Stingley Jr. with four facts about him:

Derek Stingley Jr. is related to Darryl Stingley 

His grandfather, the late Darryl Stingley, played in the NFL for the New England Patriots after being drafted in the first round with the 19th pick out of Purdue in 1973. He played for New England from 1973-77. 

Darryl's career lasted five years because of a tragic injury. He was paralyzed after a hit by Jack Tatum in a preseason game on Aug. 12, 1978.

During his NFL career, Darryl Stingley caught 110 passes for 1,883 yards and 14 touchdowns. Before the NFL, Stingley played receiver and tailback for Purduefrom 1970-72 and led the Big Ten in receiving in 1971 with 734 yards on 36 catches. 

Darryl Stingley died April 5, 2007, at 55 years old from complications of his quadriplegia

His grandpa's injury didn't deter Derek from pursuing football. 

"I was always going to play football," Derek Jr. said in 2018. "You can't think about getting hurt like that because you can't play scared." 

Derek Stingley Jr.'s dad played professional baseball and football

Oct 5, 2019; Baton Rouge, LA, USA; LSU Tigers cornerback Derek Stingley Jr. (24) intercepts a pass intended for Utah State Aggies wide receiver Savon Scarver (11) during the first half at Tiger Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Derick E. Hingle-USA TODAY Sports
 
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Derek Stingley is the dad of Derek Stingley Jr. 

Stingley Sr. played college baseball at Triton College. In 1993, the Philadelphia Phillies took him in the 26th round of the MLB Draft. 

He then played minor league baseballfrom 1993-95. In 96 games with the Class A Spartanburg (South Carolina) Phillies in 1994, Stingley had a .273 on-base percentage with a .285 slugging percentage to go with 22 RBIs and 24 stolen bases. 

Derek Sr. then played arena football. He helped the Albany Firebirds win the 1999 Arena League championship. He was also briefly on the New York Jets practice squad

Stingley Jr. was the No. 1 recruit in the country

Oct 5, 2019; Baton Rouge, LA, USA; LSU Tigers cornerback Derek Stingley Jr. (24) covers Utah State Aggies wide receiver Savon Scarver (11) during the first half at Tiger Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Derick E. Hingle-USA TODAY Sports
 
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Stingley Jr. was a consensus five-star prospect, thought to be the top overall player in the 2019 class and was ranked the No. 1 player in the country by Rivals, according to his bio on LSU's website

Then-LSU head football coach Les Miles offered Stingley a scholarship when Stingley was a freshman in high school. 

He was a finalist for the 2018-19 Gatorade National Football Player of the Year and earned 2018 Louisiana Gatorade Player of the Year honors. 

The Sport Administration major led his high school team, The Dunham School in Baton Rouge, to the state Division-III quarterfinals during his senior campaign. As a junior and senior, he helped Dunham win consecutive district titles for the first time in school history as a junior and senior. 

Stingley Jr. played in the 2019 Army All-America Bowl.

Stingley Jr. made a quick impact at LSU

LSU Tigers cornerback Derek Stingley Jr. (24) breaks up a pass intended for Vanderbilt Commodores wide receiver Kalija Lipscomb during the first half at Vanderbilt Stadium.
 
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Through seven college games, Stingley Jr. has already shown why so many thought so highly of him.

In those seven games, Stingley Jr. registered 16 solo tackles (18 total), including a single game-high of five solo tackles twice in wins against Vanderbilt and Florida, according to Sports Reference. He has also registered three interceptions, doing so in three consecutive games against Vanderbilt, Utah State and Florida.

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Stingley Nation's Only Freshman Semifinalist for Bednarik

 

BATON ROUGE – LSU cornerback Derek Stingley Jr., is the only freshman in college football selected as a semifinalist for the Bednarik Award, the Maxwell Football Club announced on Tuesday.
 
Stingley, a true freshman from Baton Rouge, is one of 20 finalists for the prestigious award that honors the Outstanding Defensive Player of the Year in college football. Of the 20 semifinalists, in addition to Stingley, only one is a sophomore with juniors and seniors making up the remaining 18 spots.
 
Stingley has made an immediate impact during his rookie season with the Tigers as he leads the Southeastern Conference in interceptions with four. He's had an interception in four of LSU's last five games.
 
Stingley has 22 tackles to his credit and his 13 passes defended rank first in the SEC and No. 7 in the nation.
 
Past LSU winners of the Bednarik Award include Patrick Peterson in 2010 and Tyrann Mathieu in 2011.
 
Semifinalist voting for Bednarik Award will begin on Wednesday Oct. 30 and will close on Nov. 24. Three finalists for each award will be announced on Nov. 25 and a second round of voting will take place at that time.
 
Eligible voters include Maxwell Football Club members, NCAA head football coaches, sports information directors and selected national media. 
 
The winner of the 25th Chuck Bednarik Award will be announced as part of the ESPN Home Depot College Football Awards Show presented by Gildan which will be broadcast live on ESPN on Dec. 12, 2019.
 
The formal presentation of the Maxwell Award and the Bednarik Award will be made at the Maxwell Football Club's Awards Dinner on Friday, March 6, 2020 at the Tropicana Casino & Resort in Atlantic City, New Jersey.

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On 10/22/2019 at 7:52 PM, LSUDad said:

 

LSU Football’s Joe Burrow 🎯

LSU quarterback Joe Burrow named a semifinalist for Maxwell Award

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On the same afternoon Derek Stingley was named a semifinalist for Bednarik Award, LSU quarterback Joe Burrow was named a semifinalist for the Maxwell Award.

The Maxwell Award is given to college football’s most outstanding player and Burrow certainly fits the bill.

Burrow already owns the single-season touchdown record at LSU eight games into the season and is completing 79% of his passes for 2,805 yards and 30 touchdowns in 2019.

 

Burrow has also been named the SEC Offensive Player of the Week four times in 2019 and has helped pace a Tiger offense ranked in the top-five in points per game (46.8) and total offense (535.9 yards per game).

The senior faces his stiffest test of the 2019 season next week in Tuscaloosa as a winning performance could make him the clear front runner in the Heisman race.

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Breaking down the top college football quarterbacks with film study to look at the Week 9 performances from Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawrence and more.

Week 9 offered a limited but important look at several of the nation’s top passers. Joe Burrow took advantage of his first showdown of the season against Auburn, while Justin Herbert found consistency against Washington State. We also saw Jalen Hurts and Oklahoma fall on the road to Kansas State.

Wins and losses aren’t everything on Saturday but isolating individual play helps give us the context we need. Franchises are quarterback-driven, and thus always keeping an eye out for their next star.

We also dove into Trevor Lawrence and Jordan Love in this week’s breakdown of top college quarterbacks. Next week will feature more of a season-long review look at these names since the schedule lightens up. It’s also good to check-in and see where this class is stacking up with recent groups in terms of the data I’ve collected.

Trevor Lawrence, Clemson

This season has been like a swinging pendulum for Lawrence’s play. We’re back onto the impressive side of his game, as he easily eviscerated Boston College’s defense with pinpoint precision inside and outside of the pocket. His lone two misses came on pressured throws as he escaped the pocket area.

Unfortunately, we lost the chance to see his deep accuracy on several passes as the Eagles committed a handful of defensive pass interference penalties as the ball arrived. Clemson wants this as part of their offense to help create big plays but it’s tough from the evaluation phase to get anything out of those penalties.

 

Trevor Lawrence's catchable pass chart against Boston College

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What we can take away is Lawrence’s smoothness delivering the ball was on full display. He generates excellent velocity on his passes even when there’s a defender in his lap or he has to throw on the move. His biggest question mark, even in a down season overall, is his decision-making.

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It would be interesting to see Lawrence in a more creatively designed offense instead of Clemson’s basic one. This system is one reason I undervalued Deshaun Watson‘s upside, and we’re seeing now how much of a playmaker he is with a system that gives more freedom to the quarterback. I think Lawrence will show more to his game in the NFL than even what we see now.

Joe Burrow, LSU

We finally had the chance to see Burrow and this LSU offense against a defense as athletic as them. Burrow didn’t disappoint vs. Auburn, unloading a short-passing assault that continually took advantage of soft coverage on underneath routes. This kept the offense humming, moving the chains and avoiding too much pressure on Burrow to create outside of the pocket.

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Auburn was able to break through the pocket and hurry Burrow on 10 of his 36 attempts beyond the line of scrimmage, as well as force two unavoidable sacks. He was nearly flawless in these situations, only missing twice on the 10 hurried attempts. Even his interception was simply a case of trusting his receiver to win a jump ball that was blanketed by the defender.

 

Joe Burrow's catchable pass chart against Auburn

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Burrow is blossoming into a terrific prospect. It wouldn’t surprise me if he overtakes Tua Tagovailoa as the top quarterback for teams worried about the latter’s ankle injuries. I still want to see a defense press onto these receivers and disrupt the quick passing game Burrow benefits from since a lot of his reads are immediately open. How he reacts to failure from his supporting cast can affect his stock.

But for now, it’s all good with Burrow. He’s easily the No. 2 quarterback in the class and there’s a case he’s the top guy. His ability to play under duress and adapt his play to the situation, meaning changing his reads from hi-low to low-hi, is an NFL trait that can help him succeed early in his career.

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Joe Burrow's meteoric rise to potential No. 1 NFL draft pick in 2020: Why he's legit

 

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    When Pro Football Focus launched its preseason 2020 NFL draft guide in mid-August, 10 quarterbacks were included as legitimate prospects. LSU's Joe Burrow was not among that list of 10. He was carrying a sub-60% completion percentage and sub-80 PFF grade from the 2018 college football season.

    Fast-forward nearly three months and Burrow has not only joined that group but is now No. 1 overall on the upcoming PFF top-100 draft board.

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    To say he has looked like a different player this season would be an understatement. The jump-ball thrower with shaky pocket presence and inconsistent accuracy has turned into the most poised and accurate passer in the country. Let's dig into the numbers to see exactly how the light switch flipped for the fifth-year senior as he and the Tigers head into the game of the year against Alabama.


    Signs of elite play

    Through eight games, Burrow has thrown for 2,805 yards, 30 touchdowns and only four interceptions for unbeaten LSU. He is completing 78.8% of his passes and averaging 10.8 yards per attempt. That's a far cry from the 2,894 yards (over 13 games), 16 touchdowns, five interceptions, 57.8% completion percentage and 7.6 yards per attempt that had had last season in his first run with the Tigers after transferring from Ohio State. (He attempted only 39 passes over two seasons with the Buckeyes.)

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    Why are we so sure Burrow isn't just a fluke? One of the bigger reasons is found in the fact that this leap didn't exactly come out of nowhere. We saw his elite ability for the Tigers at times in 2018. On four occasions, he earned single-game passing grades over 89.0 (against Louisiana Tech, Ole Piss, Rice and UCF), including two of his last three games.

     
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The Modern NFL Has Never Seen a Draft Prospect Rise Like Joe Burrow

The LSU quarterback entered this season projected to be a fifth-round pick at best. Three months later, he’s being talked about as a top-10 selection. How did he get there? And what does his ascension say about the QB evaluation process?

 
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As recently as this summer, Joe Burrow was an NFL draft afterthought. Following a forgettable junior season in 2018, the LSU quarterback was considered to be at best a fifth-round pick. One prominent scouting service ranked eight senior QBs above Burrow in the 2020 class—and that didn’t include underclassmen like Georgia’s Jake Fromm or Alabama’s Tua Tagovailoa, who Burrow may face off against on Saturday. As a physically limited QB with average production as a starter, there was little expectation that Burrow would turn into anything more than a late-round project and potential backup. Well, let’s just say a lot has changed in three months.

During LSU’s 8-0 start this season, Burrow has looked like the best quarterback in college football. He leads the nation with a 78.8 completion percentage. His 2,805 passing yards rank second in the country. And he’s thrown a single-season LSU record 30 touchdown passes—with four games remaining on the schedule. In the midst of all this, he’s become the hottest name in this year’s draft class. In his most recent top 100, The Athletic’s Dane Brugler ranked Burrow as the 2020 draft’s fifth-best prospect. Last month, ESPN’s Mel Kiper Jr. put Burrow at no. 14 on his big board. In a written exchange with Kiper in October, Todd McShay wrote that “Burrow has gone from Day 3 prospect to potential first-rounder in six games.” And that was before Burrow completed 76.2 percent of his passes—and took a beating—against Auburn, who ranks third in defensive efficiency and is lined with NFL talent.

It’s important to note that while the most thorough draft pundits like Brugler and Kiper do plenty of homework to gauge NFL interest, they don’t always speak for the league’s top-level decision-makers. One GM I talked to this week who studied Burrow’s first several games bristled at the idea that he was worth a top-10 pick. At this stage, Burrow’s scorching start may not have teams rearranging their draft boards. But it has forced front offices to revisit their evaluations of him. And as area scouts and sports agents—both of whom spend countless hours mining the country for college talent—have retraced their steps, the buzz around Burrow has started to grow.

If the prognosticators wind up being correct and Burrow does manage to climb into the top 10 of next year’s draft, it would be an unprecedented rise. Plenty of college QBs have flown up draft boards after one great year, but those players usually either took a significant jump between their sophomore and junior seasons, or they emerged out of obscurity in their first opportunity as a starter. Burrow doesn’t fit into either of those categories. He spent two seasons backing up J.T. Barrett and Dwayne Haskins at Ohio State before transferring to LSU in the spring before his junior season. Last fall was the first time he saw action as a starter, and he had a relatively pedestrian campaign.

Other players have seen their draft stock jump after strong senior seasons, but none of them were as poorly regarded as Burrow was following his junior year. Baker Mayfield, who ascended draft boards during a Heisman-winning senior season and eventually became the no. 1 pick in 2018, inspired disparate opinions. Some scouting services slapped him with a fifth-round grade following his junior season, while other teams and evaluators thought he could sneak into the back half of the first round. Daniel Jones had just average production during his junior season at Duke, but his frame and pedigree (read: relationship with the Manning brothers and Blue Devils head coach David Cutcliffe) led some to believe he could be a first-round pick with a strong senior year. The Giants eventually took him sixth in the 2019 draft.

Coming into the season, there was no such optimism about Burrow. He would become the first quarterback in modern NFL history to make this type of leap after an initial run through the league’s scouting machine resulted in such an underwhelming consensus. And while the details of his improvement from last year to this one are undoubtedly interesting, the most intriguing part of this entire thing might be learning how an NFL team could eventually talk itself into a meteoric prospect like Burrow.

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While the specifics of Burrow’s situation make him unique, several recent first-round picks have also burst on to the scene, seemingly out of nowhere. Dwayne Haskins, Kyler Murray, Mitchell Trubisky, Cam Newton, and Mark Sanchez are all examples of one-year starters who went from relative unknowns to first-rounders in a single season. Just as often, quarterbacks thought to be surefire stars can plummet.

Many of the 2013 mock drafts that were released before the 2012 season had at least four QBs going in the first round. That group included USC’s Matt Barkley (who many projected as the no. 1 overall pick), Arkansas’s Tyler Wilson, Oklahoma’s Landry Jones, and Florida State’s EJ Manuel. When the draft finally arrived the following spring, Manuel was the only QB taken in the first round. Barkley was drafted with the first pick in the fourth. Wilson was selected 14 picks later. And Jones was taken three picks after that. Players at other positions experienced draft-day falls that same year (including Keenan Allen, Sam Montgomery, and Alex Okafor), but no position comes with more volatility than quarterback. As one agent told me when describing how his company chooses its potential clients, “Evaluating quarterbacks is like evaluating a different sport.”


When I asked some current and former talent evaluators this week what that evaluation process looks like for a fast-rising quarterback like Burrow, the collective response was that teams are going back to the drawing board. Area scouts are likely passing through Baton Rouge again, asking LSU’s new-look staff (including well-regarded first-year passing game coordinator Joe Brady) what Burrow is doing differently this season. Interested GMs will get as many eyes on him as possible; if a typical high-level prospect would warrant three or four written reports for that team, Burrow might require seven or eight.

The goal, as one former GM told me, is to conduct a pathology on the player’s entire career to find where the original evaluation might have gone wrong. When scouting quarterbacks, teams generally try to tick off a more rigorous series of required boxes: physical traits, mental traits (including information-processing and decision-making), personality makeup (toughness, leadership, etc.), and production against quality competition.

Burrow is considered a relatively quiet, occasionally quirky guy. But he’s beloved in the LSU locker room, largely because he plays with a competitiveness that borders on fanatical. As the story goes, when Texas fans blew a cannon through Burrow’s jersey before LSU faced off against UT in early September, the quarterback turned to his center and said he was throwing for 400 yards that night. He threw for 471—and four touchdowns—as LSU beat the Longhorns 45-38. Texas may not have a quality defense, but Florida and Auburn boast excellent units filled with NFL prospects, and he toppled both teams.

Saturday’s game against Alabama looms as Burrow’s most important test yet. To this point, Burrow has ticked off nearly every box that teams look for in a quarterback. And if he continues that run against the Tide, this wave of Burrow Mania could become a full-blown tsunami.

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No matter how many boxes Burrow may be checking right now, this is just the first step in a process that won’t end until April. And there are plenty of other variables to consider along the way. The Senior Bowl in late January is a crucial step for players in Burrow’s spot. Carson Wentz missed nearly half his senior season because of injury, but skepticism about his pro potential melted away after teams saw his arm talent and frame up close. He eventually went no. 2.

That week in Mobile will also be the first chance that NFL coaches have to sit down with prospects and pick their brains. Those conversations—and the ones that occur at the combine and during team visits—can have an outsized impact on a player’s draft stock, especially for QBs. The Browns, for example, appreciated Mayfield’s accuracy and impressive college production, but they may not have made such a bold choice about a nontraditional QB if not for their belief that Mayfield’s bravado would invigorate a lifeless franchise. Emotions creep into the calculus more for quarterbacks than they do for other prospects. Quarterback-needy teams want to believe that one of these guys is the guy. And that desire can lead to plenty of ill-fated rationalizing. As teams talk themselves in circles around certain QBs, the decision can boil down to which player ticks enough boxes rather than which ones have the highest ceilings—about finding an answer instead of the best answer. Which is why an early groundswell around passers can have such an impact.

 

That kind of desperation is one of the reasons that draft analysts have shot Burrow up their respective boards. And if Burrow continues this run, from now until late April, the media machine surrounding the draft will continue to perpetuate that idea. One executive I spoke with this week warned about how much agents can affect the process as teams get closer to the draft. Whether through direct contact with personnel executives or strategic information leaks, a player’s representatives are motivated to convince teams that their client is in high demand. After the 2017 draft, when the Bears traded up to take Mitchell Trubisky no. 2, The MMQB’s Emily Kaplan reportedthat the Browns and Chiefs were also high on Trubisky and considered leapfrogging Chicago to select the North Carolina quarterback. But other reports have surfaced in recent years that indicate Kansas City always had its sights set on Patrick Mahomes. Springtime in the NFL brings an ocean of misinformation, and some agents use that confusion to their advantage.

That sort of NFL Inception can have a massive influence on an executive’s thinking; even established professionals can be swung by chatter surrounding a prospect. There are plenty of stories about prominent GMs who had to be talked off the ledge about a buzz-worthy QB that their scouting departments didn’t like. For Burrow, that chatter has begun in earnest. And it takes only one GM to talk himself into the notion that Joe Burrow is the person who will save his franchise, no matter how unlikely that may have seemed three months ago. As much as his own improvement, Burrow’s potential leap up this year’s draft will be about what teams are willing to do for a quarterback. And if he ends up a top-10 pick, it’ll be unlike any ascension the league has seen in years.

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2020 NFL draft: Joe Burrow scouting report

 

Joe Burrow | QB | LSU

Height | 6-4

Weight | 216

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Strengths

Burrow has had as good of a 2019 season as any player in the nation.

Breaking out after an incredible primetime performance on the road against Texas in Week 2, the LSU quarterback has continued playing at an elite level the whole year. He is an extremely accurate thrower who times his passes perfectly and throws with a sharp sense of anticipation. He can throw a precise deep ball and has good touch on nearly every one of his throws.

Burrow excels at a lot of the little things, which is exactly what a lot of prospects struggle with coming out of college. He has admirable pocket presence, as he can maneuver defenders well in the pocket, and his accuracy is relatively unfazed by incoming pass rushers. He has shown that he can calmly go through his progressions, look past his first read and make the intelligent throw. Burrow’s upper-body mechanics are just about perfect, as he throws with a quick and crisp throwing motion and has a high enough release.

Weaknesses

As impressive as Burrow’s 2019 campaign has been, he only has one year of quality tape. His 2018 season was simply not very good, as his accuracy and decision-making were much worse than they have been this year. He will need to convince NFL teams that he isn’t just a flash in the pan.

Burrow doesn’t have premier physical tools that some of the other top quarterback prospects in this class have. His arm is passable, but he doesn’t have a cannon like someone like Jacob Eason or Justin Herbert has. He also doesn’t offer much in terms of athleticism, as his lateral agility is mediocre and his breakaway speed as a scrambler isn’t anything to call home about. Teams who are more interested in toolsy quarterbacks might be hesitant to pick Burrow over other prospects.

Bottom Line

Nobody has improved their draft stock over the course of the 2019 season quite like Joe Burrow has. With his pinpoint accuracy, impressive decision-making and superb poise, he has all of the makings of a long-term starter in the NFL. A legitimate argument could be made that he should be the first overall pick in 2020.

Projection: Top 3

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I know Joe has moved up in the draft quicker than most anyone. I did talk with a draft guy a couple weeks ago, he too agrees, Joe has moved up faster than anyone in recent years. 
 

One other Tiger that has stepped up, all in part to this new offense, Clyde the Glide. He too has teams taking notice. Many thought at this time of the year, Clyde would move over for the younger guys. That’s far from what has went on. He has looked into being one of the more useful backs in the SEC and the nation. His blocking, use of his small stature, looking at a hole, hanging on the backside of the OL, till something opens up. Catching out of the backfield, getting in open space. All these things have made him a so much better player. Only a Jr. but he too has draft stock moving up. 
 

Guess I need to start posting in the 2020 NFL Draft thread. 

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